DC Comic's "Titans"

I dunno..I don't think you'll find a ton of people anymore who know that "dick" is old slang for a detective (dick-teck-ative)

the fact it's so obvious is why they shouldn't make it.

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Hawk and Dove's an interesting choice though I sigh they are going with the romantic angle between the two...

which... oh boy the undertones

Alan Ritchson cast as Hawk[1]

Minka Kelly will play Dove.

They may be casting Detective Amy Rohrbach on Titans

She is a Detective friend of Nightwing from Bludhaven.

Interesting how they keep gradually revealing main cast members. It keeps attention on the show.

Also, I don't know if anyone's pointed it out yet, but it's funny how if a show is about the Teen Titans then more words in the title means less serious; e.g. Teen Titans Go being the least serious while Titans seems to be the most.

...what even is this?

A Starfire racelift would bother me more if they hadn't used those two pictures for comparison. You could make Starfire a little darker and CGI the frack out of her hair and it could work.

I have no idea who Anna Drop is, nor have established any confidence in her acting ability, however.

But no seriously - original comics canon whatever - who the frack thought "super serious" Starfire was a good idea?

I'm guessing an Academy Award winning screenwriter, the CCO of DC comics, and a guy who holds the record for having 10 different tv shows across various platforms?

And her last name is Diop.

As you mentioned, it's closer to her comics characterization and that's been working fine (with a few hitchups) for decades.

edited 22nd Sep '17 11:06:34 PM by KnownUnknown

This is one of those cases where people seem to think how she was written in the TV show is her default, when that is not the case at all. She, like many of the characters, was significantly Lighter and Softer.

In fact, Starfire's rage issues and willingness to kill were a problem in more than one issue of the original New Teen Titans◊.

edited 23rd Sep '17 7:19:51 AM by comicwriter

i hope this portrayal of Kory doesnt result in a bunch of tedious "debates" about lethal force where Kory gets portrayed as an ax crazy straw woman while Dick is presented as the sane rational one for letting a guy who burned down an orphanage and got away with it live. DC has rarely ever handled the issue of killing with anything more sophisticated than a 10-year-old's view of the concept and it's an embarrassment almost every time.

edited 23rd Sep '17 12:34:16 PM by windleopard

Kory's original characterization is that she was sweet, friendly, kind, and naive but a complete demon in combat. Initially, if she was in a fight, she was fighting to kill whether killing was called for or not, because that's how she was trained. The Titans had to teach her that, when on Earth, you didn't need to kill a mugger in order to stop him.

I always got the impression that Marv Wolfman didn't really want to deal with any issues that might have been raised by Kory's ferocity. He only ever did so sporadically, and they felt half-hearted when he did.

And at that at least makes sense not because Kory's some violent monster with no regard for life, but because she was trained as a warrior.

I forget what comic it is, but Deathstroke (classic Titans foe who may sadly not end up showing up in this one cause of Arrow) remarks to somebody that "You've been trained to fight. I've been trained to kill. Let me show you the difference" or something.

Kory is a warrior princess. Like Xena, the warrior princess.

Dick was trained to be a crime-fighter by a guy with a strict "killing is bad rule", Raven is a scared young girl who certainly doesn't want to kill anybody even with her vast power, and Hawk and Dove are mystically empowered champions of abstract concepts.

It makes sense-it is a good thing-if they all have different viewpoints on how exactly they should be doing what they do, and even what they should do in a given situation.

So which one do I believe here? Because there's a difference between "is willing to kill" and "no-nonsense."

edited 24th Sep '17 6:16:44 PM by Soble

Being trained as a warrior or soldier requires discipline and self restraint. If Kory's behaviour is how Tamaranians train their fighters, then it's remarkable they'd ever won any wars or battles. Being a warrior does not mean being a bloodthirsty loon who needs others to reign you in.

@Arthur Eld different viewpoints aren't the issue. The issue is only one viewpoint will be portrayed as legitimate

edited 23rd Sep '17 11:25:48 PM by windleopard

Not really, no. That's not significantly different than any other Proud Warrior Race seen in science fiction. She comes from a culture that doesn't see killing an enemy in battle as a big deal, and since at least 50 percent of a superhero's job is getting into battles, sometimes wires get crossed.

Okay I feel you may have misunderstood my point. I'm not against Kory killing in and of itself. I'm against her being portrayed as willing to kill all the time for the sake of having the others lecture her.

I didn't. I was disputing the claim that her being willing to kill makes no sense because there's no way a culture that undisciplined would be able to win anything. That doesn't mean they're all savage buck wild murderers constantly trying to kill everyone, it means she was raised with the belief that in battle, you shut the opponent down permanently.

Whether or not that becomes overused in the actual series itself is another matter, as we know literally nothing about how the series will actually handle it. But it's also somewhat irrelevant since the entire reason this digression in the conversation began was because someone of someone asking why they hell Starfire would be characterized in such a manner, when that pretty much is how she was characterized in the original comics.

edited 24th Sep '17 8:16:59 AM by comicwriter

How applicable Kory's training was to actual organized, large-scale combat is questionable. As a princess of Tamaran, she was trained by the Warlords of Okarra; this training seems limited to hand-to-hand and single-combat tactics; champion fighting, essentially. At no time is it suggested that she's a trained soldier or that she has any special knowledge of tactics or strategy. A skilled warrior and a skilled soldier are two different things.

It bugs me a bit that they describe her as "no-nonsense," because that doesn't really fit the character at all, at least not any version that I've seen or read. She wasn't Spock or Worf or anything at all like that. Too often proud warrior types get portrayed as dour and humorless; where's the Boisterous Bruiser?

edited 24th Sep '17 1:44:14 PM by Robbery

I don't care about the killing.

But a "no-nonsense" Starfire doesn't sound like any version of the character I've ever seen, and the claim that she was originally written that way seems contradicted here, and even if that was her original characterization one could easily argue that it's not survived her years of publications. Look at the newer Starfire series with Gail Simone. Not a sexed-up bimbo, but not a no-nonsense warrior either.

Yes, Batman was willing to kill people in his original stories. No, this is not what the character is remembered for, and I doubt there's a large audience for it anyway.

I can applaud taking characters in other directions (hell, Oliver Queen from Arrow). But a no-nonsense Starfire sounds incredibly droll.

Um, Gail Simone never wrote a Starfire series. That was Amanda Conner

I was on a rant, leave me alone.

Point still stands.

Well there is the possibility that she's just escaped from being sold into slavery. Her more public versions brush over that part of her origin story.

This series could be giving her a recovery arc.Starting her out pissed off alien to have her develop into the personality people are more familiar with.

Ryan Potter will play Beast Boy.