Five Nights at Freddy's

"But why would the Mimic make its own Springtrap? Why use what's clearly Afton's remains that leave it barely able to pose a threat when it can use a more efficient body (and does in Ruin)? If the Mimic was able to move around freely before, how was it later trapped by the VANNI network?"

To Mimic Springtrap. I also don't think it's Williams remains personally, I think he just got a corpse and used that to look like it's Springtrap. Sense the body does not look like William.

"The digital ghost theory makes more sense with what we saw in Help Wanted, Special Delivery, and Security Breach. Even the post-it room could be attributed to Afton's ghost/digital consciousness not knowing what it was at first but slowly remembering who it was and seeing an opportunity to escape the VR game and kill more people. I think Vanessa's therapy sessions in particular, which very clearly spell out that William Afton is tormenting/possessing her (with her using the allegory of an abusive father), make no sense if the Mimic was behind the whole thing. I don't think she's actually an Afton, but William could have made her believe he was or again, she could have been using an allegory knowing no therapist was going to believe she was being attacked by a malignant spirit. The Mimic only comes up in Ruin, and even then only at the end, making me think it's a pretty clear Retcon after the poor reaction to Afton coming back and doing nothing threatening."

That's weird though . Why would they have the whole post-it room that implies stuff most already assumed? Why would he have a mechanical way of thinking at first at all if he came from a human?

Vanessa's story still makes perfect sense. It's just her actual backstory. She had an abusive father named Bill who manipulated her into testifying against her mother. In the present day she is in an exaggerated version of her childhood, once again. Once again being abused by an evil father figure and being manipulated and pressured into doing bad things.

It makes sense why people thought Glitchtrap was William, I did. And they clearly wanted us to think it was William. It's just that the new explaination fits better and makes sense. They just waited too long to reveal it.

It's not even the first time the franchise has done a twist like this. Back in sister location the last quarter of the game was practically screaming at you that Mike is William. With how the funtimes talk to you like you are William in the private room. And post-scooping you start to look like the purple guy sprite. Then we got the golden Freddy cutscene establishing the funtimes just thought Mike was William.

'Even in Ruin he doesn't do anything particularly tech-heavy minus using a radio. Certainly nothing in the "master hacker" realm. We don't know who made the VANNI network, but my guess is it was Vanessa who set it up (who is established as being a master hacker herself and able to tamper with the animatronics).'

Gregory hacked into a staff bot trying to talk to Cassie at one point. Tying into his previous identity as a hacker for 46. I don't remember seeing Vanessa tamper with the tronics programming either. She was just using them after Gregory messed with them.

The therapist explicitly says Vanessa's backstory is not true. Her real family never abused her and didn't get divorced. It's then implied Vanessa is forced to murder the therapist over revealing the truth.

In AR Special Delivery Vanessa gets senior IT access and hacks into Fazbear Entertainment's systems. She is established as being a master hacker who gave herself backdoor access to the Pizzaplex's security systems in secret. Since we know she murdered at least 9 people (One-star ending) and probably many more (her therapy tapes) she probably erases the security footage from each night at the Pizzaplex with her access. It's established that Freddy malfunctioning and rebooting in safe mode was the only thing stopping him from immediately killing Gregory. It's not a stretch that she created the VANNI network or that she sicced the animatronics on Gregory. Gregory making the animatronics go murder mode makes no sense. Why wouldn't he put a failsafe in to stop them from going after him?

As far as I remember Mike = William was always a contentious theory. People knew there was a connection but there were always people who thought that didn't make sense with what we saw in 3, and it turns out they were right.

Edited by PhiSat on Nov 30th 2023 at 12:32:28 PM

"The therapist explicitly says Vanessa's backstory is not true. Her real family never abused her and didn't get divorced. It's then implied Vanessa is forced to murder the therapist over revealing the truth"

That was not Vanessa. It was patient 46 who had a fake tragic past. From what we know, Vanessa's story was indeed true.

"She is established as being a master hacker who gave herself backdoor access to the Pizzaplex's security systems in secret. Since we know she murdered at least 9 people (One-star ending) and probably many more (her therapy tapes) she probably erases the security footage from each night at the Pizzaplex with her access. It's established that Freddy malfunctioning and rebooting in safe mode was the only thing stopping him from immediately killing Gregory. It's not a stretch that she created the VANNI network or that she sicced the animatronics on Gregory. Gregory making the animatronics go murder mode makes no sense. Why wouldn't he put a failsafe in to stop them from going after him?"

It's established in the tapes in the main game that it was patient 46 who hacked into the pizzaplex systems not Vanessa.

And the explaination could just be that whatever caused Gregory to lose his memories also made him forget how to order them around.

"As far as I remember Mike = William was always a contentious theory. People knew there was a connection but there were always people who thought that didn't make sense with what we saw in 3, and it turns out they were right."

That Mike / Eggs was William was still the most popular view from everything I can find. There were indeed people skeptical, but it is clearly what the game wanted people to think thanks to the whole purple guy thing. There were people who were skeptical ended up vindicated, but the same can be said for Glitchtrap. There were people speculating he was some AI copying Afton back in HW and there was a big debate whether it was Williams soul or not.

Edited by Snoketrope on Nov 30th 2023 at 12:49:01 PM

-literally slams book on shelf-

Edited by FOFD on Nov 30th 2023 at 5:09:55 AM

It does include Vanessa and it tells us stuff about her. It's just that there are 2 people in those therapy sessions. The one who speaks is Vanessa the one where you cannot hear the voice is 46 / Gregory.

The reason it was included was to tell us how Vanessa is not the only one of Glitchtrap's disciples and hint at Gregory's past.

Edited by Snoketrope on Nov 30th 2023 at 2:13:45 AM

Vanessa and 46 being different people makes sense to a degree. There's some hints that there's two different people involved.

46 being Gregory is the Ass Pull part that makes absolutely no sense with what the game tells us about Gregory, namely that he's a terrified street kid who's never been to the Pizzaplex before and was smuggled in using Freddy's chest cavity. Gregory being some evil mastermind hacker kid raises a lot of Voodoo Shark questions like why he doesn't have a Pizzaplex profile, why the animatronics would attack him, why he destroys them rather than trying to hack them, why is Vanny trying to kill him at all, why would he bother to try to stop what's happening in the Pizzaplex rather than running away like in the Bad Ending, why does Vanny have his therapy tapes to begin with (not the how, presumably she murdered the therapist, but why), why is Gregory so traumatized when killing Vanny if he's a cold-blooded murderer, how does some rich kid know how to drive and use jumper cables, and why the hell aren't his parents looking for him?

Anyways, sorry for engaging in such a long argument, I don't think either of us will manage to convince the other. I'm just laying out why I think the Mimic's inclusion is a retcon.

Edited by PhiSat on Nov 30th 2023 at 5:14:06 AM

No worries I'm fine with discussing these things. And I'm fine agreeing to disagree on the Mimic subject.

Gregory being 46 is not an Ass Pull I think, it's just really weird.

What we knew about 46 was that they were not Vanessa. That we don't hear their voice implying it's someone we are familiar with. And they are a child based on how some therapists talk to them. By process of elimination Gregory is the only candidate in the game.

So the hints were there...it's just a very odd explaination.

In terms of why they are trying to kill Gregory now and why he does not remember any of this. I think the easy answer is that he has some kind of annesia of his time as Glitchtrap's apprentice and that he may have turned on them at some point.

That part is just a very large gap that hasn't been filled yet.

EDIT:In case I wasn't clear I want to clarify I agree the reveals are handled very weird.

Edited by Snoketrope on Nov 30th 2023 at 8:10:26 AM

Steel wool released a new front image for Help Wanted 2

I think is hard to know when something is ass pull or a retcon because the scatter nature of the lore. because is all part of the plan or a nasty retcon all the sudden?.

Oh yeah. It's hard to say because we'll unless we hear from the people directly years later. We're just guessing as theirs evidence 0f both.

The new game is gonna be interesting. Releases tommororw

Edited by Snoketrope on Dec 13th 2023 at 9:39:44 AM

So is it a prequel?

We don't exactly know. Some believe it is sense the synopsis says your playing as the last employee left at the pizzaplex. So it could take place during the pizzaplex era.

Fusion Z Gamer has gotten the ending. Not going to embed cuz spoilers

It seems to confirm that Glitchtrap / Burntrap is 100% the Mimic in case there were any doubts. We see Glitchtrap's hand come out of the power station before we are jumpscared by staff bots. We then jump to Ruin at the scene where Maskbot gives Cassie the Vanni mask, implanting her with the Mimic.

There is a secret ending now. again from Fusion

You play Princess Quest IV, reach the top and then there is a giant Vanny. Who then has Glitchtrap in her hand before she smothers him.

Edited by Snoketrope on Dec 15th 2023 at 1:47:20 AM

If you guys want my honest opinion of the whole Glitchtrap being Mimic or William, I think they should have stayed with Glitchtrap being William rather than Glitchtrap being Mimic, I mean, Pizzeria Simulator did dirty to his character, dying to an obvious trap for me was too cheap and making him escape Cassidy’s hell becuase of her stubbornes and becoming Glitchtrap would have redeemed his character. I mean, the guy was so much more menacing when he was Glitchtrap, turning Glitchtrap the Mimic was probably one of the worst decisions made. I would have preferred that Glitchtrap used both Vanny and Mimic as lackeys, both doing the killing and in case Glitchtrap dies, Mimic copies him and continue his legacy. I mean, Mimic is your average story of a robot going insane and killing people because the guy thinks that’s whaty they want him to do, there is no bigger motivations, unlike William who seems to want to use the Remnant to become immortal. You may prefer that Glitchtrap is Mimic and such but I absolutely prefer Glitchtrap as William

The big reveal im Help Wanted 2 is some Bioshock 2-esque Johnny Tipside exposition you're playing as the guy who becomes the Maskbot in Ruin.

FNAF is just one big metaphor for the evils of capitalism.

Given the fact that there are companies like Fazbear Entertaintments and Afton Robotics, this doesn’t sound to far fetched

Edited by EmperorAI on Dec 17th 2023 at 4:26:11 PM

The Mimic doesn't do this because it's what they think they have to...anymore. in the story Tiger Rock we are shown the Mimic became more sapient and says the reason he 'learns' the things he does is because it's what he likes doing.

I just don’t understand one thing of the robot. Why just settle copying William? Why not copy Vannesa? Or all the people he met? I mean, Mimic was made specifically to copy people’s behaviours, actions and voices, if that’s the case, why doesn’t he copy all the rest, why just William?

It learned from William, and it did not soley learn from William either. The kid he was designed to play with David also influenced him. That is where he gets his whole costume shtick from, he took influence on William as well and that is where he gets his rabbit motif and targets children for.

He also is not emulating William 100% of the time as Glitchtrap, he copies Tape Girl's voice and began to Mimic her to trick Vanessa. And a number of his own traits are visible with Glitchtrap, we see him act a bit childish and eccentric, like the Mimic's appearance as Tiger Rock.

Problem is william already die twice it more or less satifying ways, having him again kinda border into joker inmortality a this point and when I said more or less is that for all the build up to him, Afton end feel...cheap, mostly because cutscenes but pizza simulator did have probably the best ending with henry monologue and buring everything, even if he did reduce william to another bad robot in the end.

As i said in my first comment here, William should have been Glitchtrap. It was so much better than overcomplicating things by making Glitchtrap Mimic, i hate how they turned Glitchtrap into Mimic, ugh

I'm just glad William Afton is dead.

I'm glad they revealed this, mainly because bringing him back after Pizza sim was a bit insulting to that awesome ending. And it caused William's reputation to plummet as he became a joke over how he 'always came back'.

Yeah, some villains are better off bowing out after burning out.