Tekken 7

I dunno man, if "5 DR" disappointed you, and "5 DR" is considered the best tekken behind "3"... I don't know how "7" is gonna bring you back especially with the lack of Anna.

IIRC after playing the super annoying Tag 2, I actually find it refreshing to be back to singles. They also made (GOOD, mind you) improvements to make it more accessible to newer players. ("Back roll" is shorter range but safer, either punch button throw breaks for regular throws, replacing bound with screw reduces wall combo damage... etc.)

Tekken 6 hate is overblown IMO.The bobfest and bound madness is silly no doubt, and azazel is one of the cheapest bosses in the franchise, but it's alright and honestly the single player is a bit better than 7's, though I suppose that depends how much of T-force you can tolerate.

It has far and away the best customization in the series, too.

Thinking about it from a History Repeats focus, would it be that Alisa being attached Lars only to be attacking him because Jin had her programmed that way be similar to how Kazumi married into the Mishima family decades before because the Hachijo family viewed Heihachi as a future threat to the world, with the only difference being that Heihachi tearfully Kazumi, and that Alisa didn't end up dying by Lars' hands?

edited 4th Aug '17 6:59:40 PM by HallowHawk

It helps that Alisa can be repaired a lot easier than a human can probably.

I never played Tekken 5 DR, only the regular one.

I no longer have a PS 3 because my last one died a few months ago and I have no interest in forking out money for a new one at present. I do have a PSTV though, basically a Vita which lets me play some PSP games if they are on PSN. Should I check out T 5 DR or T6 before getting Tekken 7?

I used to be a super mega ultra Tekken fanboy but just kind of lost interest somewhere along the way....

Digital gaming can be so weird and dumb and frustrating. Tekken 5 Dark Resurrection is available on the PSN...for PS 3 but NOT Vita. That doesn't make sense in any kind of way. I recall hearing about how you can transfer some games - and I myself did this once with Final Fantasy III - so I could theoretically buy T 5 DR for PS 3 then transfer it to my PSTV.

Only my PS 3 crapped out.

Oh well, I got Tekken 6.

edited 5th Aug '17 4:12:24 PM by Nikkolas

I wouldn't use "hate" to describe Tekken 6, though it'll probably be just behind 3 and 5 DR in pre-7 solo Tekkens. Bob domination followed by Lars domination plus the bound system IIRC being kinda divisive may have removed a few points from it.

The regular 5 has silly things like the Steve Infinite, Steve counterhit Albatross Punch (3+4,2) stunning for a combo, Nina's godlike overpowered Skull Splitter (uf+1), Roger Jr. 70% combo into backturned setup into relaunch...

edited 5th Aug '17 8:35:16 PM by Malco

Honestly, I enjoy Tekken for the story, or more accurately, the characters. That was one of the disappointing things for me about 5. After T4's rather intriguing threeway ending between Nina, Steve and Lei, T5...doesn't really follow up on any of it. It doesn't even really follow up on the climax of T4, instead pulling Jinpachi out of nowhere for no reason.

Also what is Ogre's kill count down to? Have all his kills been retconned away?

It was stuff like that which put me off the series.

I must say, it's mindboggling that T6's Scenario was so panned while Mortal Kombat 9 of all games got tons of praise for its story mode. Tekken and MK are the two fighting games I grew up with and of the two, I never expected the latter to receive any sort of acclaim for its narrative while the former is reviled.

Also man, this music was so good

The T5 Narrator and prologue just couldn't compete.

Are T6 and T7 still doing this?

edited 6th Aug '17 4:31:47 AM by Nikkolas

Nina's, Steve's, and Lei's plots were resolved, per their respective prologues. As for the climax of the fourth game, the whole T5 intro was the resolution to it.

Robots come and blow Heihachi up and then a completely new character appears and makes Jin's Devil go crazy is not resolution. It's a bunch of Ass-Pulls that resolves nothing.

T4 ended with Jin resolving to never kill, to strive to be more like his mother. He spard even evil wretches like his father and grandfather. But then he kills great grandpappy Jinpachi and takes over the world.

But at least that answered why didn't G Corporation retaliate when Heihachi had the Tekken Force ransack the Nepal and United States facilities.

Late but I want to say Moonsiders 2 being so bad is really baffling considering Moonsiders 1 is super good. One of the few cases the final round track is a complete downgrade.

Also Tekken World Tour Korea just finished, we have a new challenger in the mix: Noroma, a Jack player from West Japan, managed to beat both Saint and JCDR in succession.

Ugh Jack. Hate that character.

One of the characters that originally put me off Tekken. Such a bad design.

Tekken force played like a beat em up but not a very good one, the controls were incredibly clumsy. I still had fun with it though.

edited 6th Aug '17 1:21:19 PM by Vertigo_High

Jack is a military weapon so the appearance makes sense for what it is designed to do. They also seem to semi work when you want to go after someone.

Considering Jinpachi's ending it might as well be a mercy kill. I would more call what Jin did starting a massive war rather than world domination.

I always thought Prototype Jack was way cooler.

And I guess you're right about Jin starting a war as opposed to takiing over the world. And from what I hear, Jin had a "good reason" to do what he did in T6. I still feel none of it follows logically from T4.

But who knows, maybe it will all make sense once I play T6 and 7.

edited 6th Aug '17 6:41:19 PM by Nikkolas

Trust me, it still won't make sense. It's still gonna feel like a "character whiplash".

Spoilers for 5-7 follow.

Jin started the war in "6" because he wanted to cause enough negative emotions to summon Azazel, which Jin thought was the cause of the devil gene, and he was desperate to purge it.

For that, he needed a huge organization, so back in "5", he won the tournament to take over the Mishima Zaibatsu. He just let Jinpachi die (or killed him) because he probably didn't know Jinpachi was his great granddaddy or something.

At the end of "6", Jin took down Azazel but the devil gene was still there. So yeah, a bit senseless. This left Jin wandering the desert and the Mishima Zaibatsu without a leader, so at the start of "7" Heihachi just walked in and retook it by force. Heihachi is just continuing the war with G-Corp because Kazuya's heading it, so it's just kinda a petty reason at this point.

Meahwhile, Jin was found in the desert by Lars and rescued him from the U.N. forces, moving him into Violet Systems where he recovered. At the stinger/sequel hook of "7", Jin vows to eliminate Kazuya, presumably the only other remaining Devil Gene carrier.

edited 6th Aug '17 7:19:47 PM by Malco

Granted... Jin's declaration is after Kazuya finally killed Heihachi, yet continued on with the war despite that, having begun to invade several countries at that point.

P jack also does not blend in well at all even if regular Jack do not blend in all that well they do at least appear human to some extent and I would imagine that is something that puts people at ease.

Jin loses control of the devil gene and faces off against a relative that appears to be afflicted with the devil gene combine that with what he was doing in the story devil within when he was looking to see if his mother was really dead or not and ends up fighting ogre he end up in control of the mishima conglomerate. I would imagine his starting a war was not the first thing he did and probably researched the devil gene and found out about where the devil gene is supposed to originate from.

That seems to be an evolution of being a better person. He decided to do the right thing no matter how he will look because of the actions he now commits.

Heihachi seemed to also want to reveal to the world that Kazuya was not human so that might be part of the reason he kept the war going. That and G corp trying to blow him up years ago.

edited 6th Aug '17 7:35:49 PM by Darthwyn

I would have to imagine 8 being the grand finale of the Mishima saga.

Maybe if he'd known that this monster who comes out when there's lotsa despair isn't the cause of his problems. Would he have started a war? Probably not.

The "right thing" is kinda debatable though. Two wrongs don't make a right, even if Jin were correct that purging the world of Azazel would fix his problem.

That brings up questions: Who's in charge of the Mishima Zaibatsu since the current leader has been slain? And is the MZ, in this leader's absence, continuing the war? Or did Heihachi just ordered the war stopped before going to his final battle with Kaz?

I doubt it. Jin technically is not a Mishima.

edited 6th Aug '17 7:36:29 PM by Malco

Though Azazel being a source could still be true just that it's death is not going to remove the devil gene from those that already have it. That would mean that the only way for it to continue would be through those that already have it to pass it onto their children. Which means Jin only needs to kill his father and ensure it dies with him.

Good point.

So after Jin kills off his dad, Jin just has to stay away from Xiaoyu (or only have adopted children), and the world will be rid of the devil gene.

Speaking of which, I've always been a supporter of that pairing which was another thing that turned me off about 6. 4 gave us that rather sweet and subdued ending for her, 5 gave us a joke ending, and 6...gave her another joke ending.

Also I was just looking at Jin Xiaoyu videos on YT and saw their Story Mode in S Fx Tekken. It's so trippy to hear them speak English, although the voices are good. (I guess Jin technically did speak like one or two lines of English in Hwoarang's T4 ending but that didn't really count since it sounded to me like it was a non-English speaker uttering a few short phrases, as opposed to a fluent speaker.)

Man, I just realized I haven't been following Tekken for nearly a decade. I feel kinda bad. Although, in my defense, Heihachi's seiyuu also died which made me certain his relevance would be even further diminished in the future. (Heihachi being a favorite of mine, this was saddening)

edited 6th Aug '17 8:27:20 PM by Nikkolas

I really liked that bit in 4 with Jin speaking English. It was before they gave up and just had everyone always speak their mother tongue, and Hwoarang had a English-speaking VO for cutscenes at the time, so when he finally meets Jin they has his voice actor speak back to him in English.

Obviously the actor isn't fluent in English so it sounds awkward, but speaking in a language you're canonically not familiar with should.

edited 6th Aug '17 8:35:35 PM by Hashil