Changing Carol Danvers' Page Name

It's not — it's because the character no longer goes by that code-name and probably won't go by that name ever again, considering someone else is already using it.

I'm not asking that we get rid of the Ms. Marvel page, only that we change it to a disambiguous page to clear things up. Again: we have a page for all the Robins, but currently, Dick Grayson is listed under Nightwing, it's not redirected to "Robin."

Why? The site has changed plenty of pages from their first version if their first version caused confusion.

Those are not good examples, since Ororo and Peter have always been called "Storm" and "Star-Lord" and Kitty Pryde has had half a dozen code-names and currently has none and simply goes by her real name.

The best example for something like this is the pages for Robin or The Flash or Captain Marvel — they list all the characters who have used those names, but those characters also have their own pages. Dick Grayson was Robin, but won't be going by that name ever again. If we have a name being used multiple times — a Legacy Character — generally, we have a page that lists all the characters that use that name. And a page for Ms Marvel would have a list that began with Carol Danvers, thus having no need to change any wicks or inbound links.

The only thing this change would do would be clear up any confusion.

By the way, this is the Other Wiki's page for Ms Marvel — they list four characters that have gone by that name.

Edited by alliterator on Oct 4th 2018 at 10:45:12 AM

You misunderstood a part of what Water Blap is saying.

It doesn't matter if she is no longer Ms. Marvel.

The wiki always uses present tense. I'm not saying this is a bad idea, btw. But the idea simply because she no longer is her doesn't matter because she'll always be written as being Ms. Marvel. That's how pages work. They're always considered "this is the case right now" for the way we write the wiki.

I would be for a split with a disambig if we're going to cover Carol Danvers' entire character and list the years she was Ms. Marvel. We still would always talk about it in the present tense regardless(because the wiki's pages speak as one voice. Which is always present tense).

Basically, the whole "she isn't anymore" is a reasoning that goes against how the wiki does things. I don't entirely agree with the idea of "first come, first serve" either. What is most important is making it easier for the reader. Thus, a disambiguation page could potentially help the readers. So I'd be okay with it if we can split the pages properly while still keeping everything in the present tense.

...It's weird having so many websites and no way to properly display now, lol.

That's entirely what I'm for — having a page like Batgirl, where it lists the years that Carol Danvers was Ms. Marvel and her history and then it lists the "interim" Ms. Marvels (Sharon Ventura and Moonstone) and then it lists Kamala Khan (Ms. Marvel 2014 - now).

Exactly — this would help prevent any confusion.

Edited by alliterator on Oct 5th 2018 at 4:21:40 AM

I believe the original suggestion in this thread was to split off Carol Danvers from the Ms. Marvel page and have that page focus on the current person to hold the title. The issue is that the wiki is not about keeping up with the most recent developments, the Ms. Marvel page is about the entire history of the name not just who currently holds the title. It would be like changing The Flash comics to whoever is the current Flash and act like the other Flashes didn't exist.

So while I think Carol Danvers can be her own page, especially since she has gone by different Legacy Character names, the Ms. Marvel page should remain as is (it would be extremely tacky to split the page according to title holder ie Ms Marvel Carol Danvers).

I'm not going with the original suggestion, though — I'm asking we can make the current Ms. Marvel page into a disamb page that's about all the Ms. Marvels, then split Carol Danvers off from that (either as her own name or as Captain Marvel 2012).

Kamala would still have her own page as Ms. Marvel (2014).

Edited by alliterator on Oct 5th 2018 at 4:28:22 AM

That's where the confusion came from. It should be fine. By all accounts doing something like that with proper indexing and established formatting doesn't need permission. Captain Marvel should probably be given the same treatment to cover all the bases, by which I mean explaining the Ms Marvel connection.

Edited by KJMackley on Oct 5th 2018 at 4:31:48 AM

Hmm, yes, Captain Marvel needs more information and proper formatting. The only issue there is there are so many Captain Marvels, but I think I can do it. I mean, the page doesn't even list my favorite Captain Marvel.

Edited by alliterator on Oct 5th 2018 at 4:38:22 AM

Okay, so, how does this look: Ms. Marvel and Carol Danvers.

Generally good. I detest "Most definitely" being considered sufficient context for any trope, and "currently known as 'Earth's Mightiest Hero' for a very good reason" isn't any better. So aside from the Zero-Context Example problems, good job!

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