Wishbone

That's the entire point of YMMV. If ONE person sees something in a work, it's okay to place that something in the YMMV page.

I thought a lot of YMMV was about what the general fandom thought. Fan-Preferred Couple is a good example. Ensemble Dark Horse is another one. I'm bringing that up because I really like that particular YMMV and wonder if Wishbone has any ensemble darkhorses. From what I've seen, maybe Sam from the "real" sequences but she might be too major of a character. A lot of people seem to really like Miss Bingley's hilarious portrayal in the Pride and Prejudice episode.

Ideally, YMMV is supposed to be about fandom tendencies and general opinions/reactions, not about the personal feelings of a single person.

The idea that "I think this, ergo it's totally valid and I'm going to put it here" is one of the reasons why those sections tend to be such a mess, and is unfortunately why YMMV got split out in the first place.

edited 19th Jul '14 6:37:07 PM by KnownUnknown

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.

I remember it was either YMMV or the Fetish Fuel section that mentioned it counted if even just one person thought that way. Either way, they both got split out.

Neither of them were supposed to be that way, iirc, but if either of them was it was probably fetish fuel. YMMV definitely isn't intended to. That people use the fact that YMMV got split out as an excuse to treat it that way is part of the problem, really, since few tropers bother to police it any more.

edited 21st Jul '14 6:43:28 AM by KnownUnknown

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.

It might not be intended that way, but as long as at least one person feels something, your mileage really might vary. And usually when there is one, there's others lurking in the woodwork anyway. It usually just takes someone posting it first to break that dam and let others know they're not alone.

That being said, any example probably should be discussed in the forums before being posted, to gain support.

^ While one's personal mileage may vary, the YMMV page should be about fandom trends and reactions - and most of the individual tropes that make up the page are designed that way as well - and semantic issues over the name of the section shouldn't change that.

In situations where it's only a single person, that person should at least make clear that's only them who thinks so - which not only appears less relevant against the other entries (another reason why YMMV pages are a mess), but is something posters tend to be unwilling to do. Weasel Words and all that.

edited 21st Jul '14 10:49:57 AM by KnownUnknown

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.

Hence why I said any example should be discussed in-forum before being posted.

I was just thinking about the adaptation of The Inspector General, and how the fact that it was presented as a production of the stage play stuck in my mind. I thought it was an odd choice, but then I recalled that Romeo and Juliet may have also been shown as a stage play, though not nearly as obviously. I tried to come up with other plays they did, and only came up with The Tempest, which I don't remember at all as being set on a stage. Anyone remember other stories shown on a stage?

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I love Wishbone. As confusing as the fantasy sequences were, the books were even more confusing.

My only real problem with Wishbone (which I did watch a lot of) was that the story had to be cut down so much. Bare bones (ha ha) doesn't even begin to cover the degree of abridgement.

mudshark: I don't expect Nate to make sense, really.

That's true. Most of Romeo And Juliet is ignored so there's no mention of why Romeo's being banished and Pride And Prejudice goes from the proposal to he apologized and brought back Bingly so all was forgiven with no mention of the sister who ran away and got married or Darcy's sister.

And yet it was one of the few adaptations of the Phantom that remembered the Turk.

Of course, don't you know anything about ALCHEMY?!- Twin clones of Ivan the Great

What Turk in Phantom Of The Opera?

I thought Raoul's friend was a Turk. The one we never learn the name of.

Of course, don't you know anything about ALCHEMY?!- Twin clones of Ivan the Great

But that scene disgusted me so much, that it took all the enjoyment out of the show for me. So I guess that it hadn't worked so well for me after all. Or yeah, sure it was a (mostly) cute show with a very interesting concept. But I never cared that much for the modern-day framing device stories anyway, and one stinker among those became enough for me to take a long break away from the entire show. (I have not watched it again since I last wrote in this thread two years ago.)

And how exactly do you even know that Joe "was more than capable of doing better"? Maybe it was a tough subject for him, where getting a C (which no matter how you look at it still is a passing grade) was a real acchievement for him? It is a common phenomenon in several countries in Asia (India, China, Japan etc), that a teenager is turned suicidal because they can't live up to their parent's high expectations on them. And that is why I'm reminded of, when I see parents on American shows pull shit like that on the kids.

But I have to admit that we're dealing with a case of Values Dissonance here, because no TV show over here in Sweden would have had a storyline like that. Not as relatively late as in the '90s ayway. Parents in real life might be that strict even here, but we don't get to see that on TV. Or if we ever do, you can bet that we're supposed to see that as a major flaw in their parenting. So yeah, it is very hard for me to watch that episode and still see Joe's mother as a good parent. Even though I'm sure that she was good otherwise.

edited 25th Apr '16 11:57:08 AM by Furienna

Yeah, but what did you expect a TV show for kids, where all the episodes only are 30 minutes long, to do? Abridgement will be a requirement.

I guess that they didn't want to tell the kids, that Romeo had killed Juliet's cousin. And how exactly would you explain to a kid, that Lydia was this close to being defiled forever? So I can see why they took some short cuts, no matter how annoying that might be for a grown-up viewer.

edited 25th Apr '16 12:57:52 AM by Furienna

That's the Persian, and he was the Phantom's buddy/personal Javert, not Raoul's.

Also, that episode was one of the few POTO adaptations to keep Raoul's brother Phillippe.

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