ufotable's Fate/Stay Night

Pretty sure Reality Marbles can be learned.EMIYA had to do research on the subject in his timeline I believe.It's just super difficult and exhausting.

Unless you meant "UBW can't be learned by anyone else than Shirou Emiya" in which case,ignore what I said!

edited 14th Jan '17 11:03:11 AM by alekos23

EMIYA likely needed to do research into Reality Marbles and how they work once he realized he had one, but I do believe that they are impossible to teach other people. AFAIK there's never been a case in the entire franchise of a character learning how to use another person's Reality Marble (Shirou and Archer don't count because they're the same person, and both possessed the same Marble from the start).

Reality Marbles are deeply tied to one's Origin, and that is certainly something that cannot be transferred in any way.

EDIT: Looked it up, and I was wrong: apparently a Reality Marble can be learned by those who don't have one, but doing that is something that's only possible for the most powerful and learned of mages... and even then, you can't copy someone else's Marble, you'd just gain one suited to yourself. Mages don't try for it very often though because the Mage's Association has declared Reality Marbles to be taboo and imprisons anyone they discover has one (why? Who the hell knows. The Mage's Association seems to basically try to be %&$@s in any way they possibly can for no reason).

edited 14th Jan '17 11:20:46 AM by DarkHunter

It probably has to do with the fact that studying one is by their standards a "waste" because you can't pass it down as part of a Crest or use in pursuit of reaching the Root unless you get lucky.

edited 14th Jan '17 11:39:37 AM by doineedaname

Thank you.

Maybe, but I still don't see that as any reason for lifetime imprisonment, especially of those who were born with their Reality Marble.

I basically have zero respect for the Mage's Association. I wouldn't shed a tear if the entire organization ceased to exist.

edited 14th Jan '17 11:53:11 AM by DarkHunter

Nasuverse Magus' and the mage association are pretty backwards thinking by nature.

Hardly anything they do makes sense to me in universe.

Man, I really dislike unique innate powers unless like literally everyone gets their own version of it. It just comes across as a really lazy way to explain why Alice is a badass and Bob is a scrub. "Oh yeah, Bob's the universe's best swordsman thanks to decades spent pursuing the art of the blade, but Alice just found out that she can make people's heads explode on a whim." "Wait, what? How the hell does she do that?" "Eh, she was born with the ability, she just had to figure out how to use it." There's pretty much no way to make that not lame.

Isn't "imprison" putting it nicely?They become lab rats.Happens to Shirou in a Bad End I believe.

Well, Nasu loves that plot device, so get used to it. At times it almost seems like every major character in his works does have some kind of super-special-rare power that sets them above and beyond any of the "normal" superpowers other people possess.

edited 14th Jan '17 12:32:36 PM by DarkHunter

Except Type Moon doesn't use that to make others look like scrubs.

There is also instances where the works get into length about skill vs innate power.

Origins yo

edited 14th Jan '17 12:35:41 PM by vicarious

Reality Marbles can actually be inherited, but the rules surrounding that are vague. My bringing it up here is unhelpful and will probably only make things more confusing.

Probably only applies to internal ones based on the Crest.Time Alter is called something like that,isn't it?

Tatari!

Hanafuda!

Something like defeating the original user.

Tatari is already weird.

The hanafuda Marble was clearly a joke and not canon.

As for Tatari... that thing is so bizarre I don't understand half of how he/it works. Actually, I don't remember it having anything to do with Reality Marbles (though now I think about it Tatari's effects are pretty similar).

I said Hanafuda in jest because that's where we got our first concrete statement that Reality Marbles can be inherited from a previous user.

But that's how reality works. Some people are born with limbs. Others aren't. There are women out there who were born with the ability to see colours no other humans ever will. It's just the way things are.

I have no problems with special abilities as long as they bring an actual downside to keep things fair. For instance, being a mutant in the Marvel Universe will give you neat powers but also gets you ostracized and despised by society. Generally, the Nasuverse is good enough about giving heroes fatal flaws to go along with their gifts.

Sure, but that doesn't mean it makes for an interesting story.

Don't forget that Shirou is an innately, ridiculously adept archer.

I'm Medaka Box fan, so I'd disagree that it doesn't make an interesting story.

I've always thought that Reality Marbles are something similar to One Piece's Emperor's Haki. They're not about magical power or skill, they're about having a vision (an ideal? a way of life?) so strong that you can impose its rules over the actual rules of reality.

So it's true that you can't learn them, but it's not simply about "being born with them". You can use one if your life has made you the sort of person who would have one (and if you are, you can study how to make it more efficient, less mana-consuming or whatever).

(NOTE: I'm in no way an expert on the Type Moon verse. :P The above is what I assumed after watching the Fate/Zero and UBW anime)

edited 16th Jan '17 3:28:08 AM by Cozzer

Reality Marble is about materializing ones mindscape. Everyone has mindscape so everyone can have RM... as long as they are extremely powerful magi or Death apostles

Another limitation is that research on RM are forbidden by Association and anyone who had it regardless get sealing designation and hunted down.

edited 16th Jan '17 1:04:49 AM by Tenzen12

Why is research in RM's forbidden anyway?

It seems like Magi would love for there to be a discipline of dead end research that every so often a rival family's heir decides looks promising and sets back their family a generation.

edited 16th Jan '17 5:03:39 AM by 32ndfreeze

Probably because it can't be regulated or controlled in any real way. Once someone can do it, all they need is the mana and bam, fuck reality.