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#626: Dec 14th 2014 at 2:44:11 AM

On the Pope thing keep in mind that the Paple States is already passing China off when it comes to what China views as its rightful territory, the Paple States recognises Taiwan as a separate country. There's only so much one can piss in a big guy's cornflakes before you start a fight, somebody at the Vatican likly figured that backing two separatist movements would be a step to far.

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#627: Dec 14th 2014 at 2:51:37 AM

It's Papal States, and they no longer exist. The actual name of the country of which the Pope is head of state is the Vatican City State.

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#628: Dec 14th 2014 at 2:57:12 AM

Bah, Holy See is what I should have typed, that's the official name now. I blame my miss type (which I shall leave up) on playing it much EU 4.

The Vatican City States it also an international entity, but it's subserviant to the Holy See, which represents the entire Catholic Church and is the entity to which international recognition is given and diplomats are sent. I think, the whole Holy See-Vatican City State relationship is very vey confusing and complicated.

edited 14th Dec '14 3:02:18 AM by SilasW

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#629: Dec 14th 2014 at 6:43:52 AM

The way I see it, Vatican City is the temporal/secular state, and the Holy See is the spiritual and/or trans-national religious state/group.

@arcane: I'll take that article you linked with a grain of salt, since the source is the Daily Mirror. Nonetheless, if it gets to become true, then we'll have to see if they're gonna use it only in internal matters or against other countries.

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#630: Dec 14th 2014 at 11:56:39 AM

[up]x6 To be fair, the US military came up with that first for the purpose of crowd control and proposed using it in Iraq but public outcry prevented it.

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#631: Dec 14th 2014 at 2:32:24 PM

Japan: Election Results are in:

edited 14th Dec '14 2:32:55 PM by Greenmantle

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#633: Dec 14th 2014 at 4:46:04 PM

Is it wrong that I routed for the guy just because how furious China will get when he wins.

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Quag15 Since: Mar, 2012
#634: Dec 14th 2014 at 4:48:21 PM

[up]Well, he won, so, Be Careful What You Wish For...

Neither Abe nor Jinping seem reliable, at this point (though the latter is still taking care of some corruption). They're both too proud and nationalistic for their countries' own good...

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#635: Dec 14th 2014 at 4:53:53 PM

[up] Well at least it makes them unlikely to cooperate, and Japan more likely to stay in the US's orbit. On the other hand their whole,"we deserve praise for saving Asia from ta evul west" thing is particularly irksome,especially when combined with complaining about Hiroshima and Nagasaki,which would be fine,except they refuse to acknowledge their own crimes,and educators in the west refuse to do so as well,due to fears of appearing politically incorrect,and because many of their acts are far to gruesome to repeat to others.

edited 14th Dec '14 4:54:14 PM by JackOLantern1337

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#636: Dec 15th 2014 at 9:50:16 PM

edited 28th Dec '14 8:19:44 PM by HallowHawk

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#637: Jan 1st 2015 at 6:36:01 AM

2014 New Year's Eve in Shanghaigone horribly wrong

edited 1st Jan '15 6:37:09 AM by RabidTanker

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#639: Jan 1st 2015 at 7:11:33 AM

Guess this proves that people will stampede for just about anything nowadays...

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#640: Jan 1st 2015 at 7:15:46 AM

One thing I've seen being recurring is Chinese police's 'I don't give a fuck' and 'Move along, don't interfere' attitudes. More than the stampedes (which can occur anywhere, sadly), that's the thing that worries me.

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#641: Jan 1st 2015 at 9:07:26 AM

Interesting article on crowd disasters here.

Above a certain density, a crowd behaves more like a fluid mass obeying hydrodynamic laws rather than a gathering of individuals. Kinda scary.

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#642: Jan 1st 2015 at 2:48:52 PM

[up]This is why I don't shop on Black Friday. I prefer Cyber Monday.

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#643: Jan 1st 2015 at 4:25:48 PM

A Chinese firm’s efforts to construct a rival trans-oceanic canal through Nicaragua have been arousing the suspicions of the region’s historical heavyweights.

Ominae Since: Jul, 2010
#644: Jan 2nd 2015 at 7:16:40 AM

Reports from BBC on TV has annoucements from Xinjiang that Public Security can arrest anyone with stiffer penalties who tries to say a legit grievance, political or religious alike.

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#645: Jan 2nd 2015 at 12:37:48 PM

[up]Interesting - here's their website report on it. It creates a controversial question: does the brutal suppression of a people work to stop the likes of ISIS?

edited 2nd Jan '15 12:38:34 PM by betaalpha

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#646: Jan 2nd 2015 at 6:32:32 PM

It may drive them to that direction.

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#648: Jan 13th 2015 at 11:23:45 AM

2015 Predictions For East Asia:

1. In Regional Policy, Little Interest in Compromise

China, Japan, and South Korea (and Russia) are all governed by nationalists and conservatives whose domestic coalitions see little reason to compromise with other regional players. So long as the U.S. presence in Asia continues, there is no external pressure to change either. Hence there is little reason to think, barring some unpredictable catastrophe like a spiraling North Korea crisis, that territorial or memory issues will be overcome.

In China, a central prop of the Chinese Communist Party’s (CCP) legitimacy, especially after the collapse of communism, is nationalism with a particular focus on Japan. During China’s recent presidential “transition” – more properly understood as a well-closeted bureaucratic knife-fight – there was always hope that a more liberal figure might emerge. Wen Jaibao, of the previous administration, repeatedly hinted near the end of his tenure that China needs a liberalizing leadership. But current President Xi Jinping has instead cleaved to the standard playbook – nationalism, one-party rule, demagoguing Japan, a tough line on territorial disputes, and so on.

Predictions: The Senkaku/Diaoyu flap with Japan is a nice go-to distraction for the CCP. We can expect Beijing to roll that out whenever needed. The Americans will play a similar bad-guy role in Chinese foreign policy in the South China Sea. In this context, North Korea remains a useful buffer for China, so the current Beijing-Pyongyang mini-freeze will not last. Kim Jong-un, the North Korean leader, will not visit Moscow before Beijing as his first overseas visit (indeed he is unlikely to travel abroad at such an early point in his power-consolidation).

In South Korea, a similar nationalist-developmentalist consensus with a tough external focus on Japan is the rough ideology of the current administration. Both conservatives and progressives in Korea are deeply committed to a narrative (much of it accurate) of Japanese colonial misdeeds. Current President Park Geun-hye is also uniquely constrained on this issue, in that her father worked with the Japanese occupation authorities during the Pacific War. She cannot afford to look soft.

Predictions: Yet another round of Dokdo and Yasukuni fights are an easy prediction here. Park and Abe will not meet.

But Japan also is unlikely to move on the region’s divisive historical and territorial issues. Governed by yet another nationalist conservative deeply vested in (the other side of) these disputes, the right-wing coalition of Prime Minister Shinzo Abe would likely see any outreach on this as national betrayal. Indeed, it seems like Abe himself has little interest in burying the hatchet with China, Korea, or Russia. This intransigence is almost certainly abetted by the U.S. military presence which insulates Japan from the regional fallout.

Predictions: Abe is simply too emotionally invested in nationalist revisionism – a regular theme throughout his career. So he will not make the rhetorical concessions necessary for Park to agree to meet him. Xi grimaced his way through one meeting with Abe; another is unlikely. Instead, expect more Yasukuni visits, more foolish right-wing outbursts by the creepier parts of the Japanese right, and more internecine sniping among Japanese media and intellectual figures over war-guilt.

Insofar as Abe just won re-election, Park’s presidency still has three more years, and Xi has (probably) eight more years, these conflicts will drag on and on, with little imminent resolution. Indeed, so vested in these disputes are nationalist factions in all the regional states, that I wonder if they really want them resolved.

2. More of the Same in Domestic Politics Too

Except for North Korea’s moribund gangster Marxism, regional economies are surprisingly similar – mercantile, export-oriented, focused on industry at the expense of services and information, with tight relationships between business and government elites, a strong emphasis on education, wary of foreign “take-overs,” and so on – all nested in an overarching national ideology of development.

This developmentalist consensus is unlikely to shift this year, despite rising pressure and awareness of its limits. In Japan, Abe has shown himself painfully reluctant to loose the “third arrow” of Abenomics – structural reform. He simply does not seem to have the political courage to crack down on the guilds that lock-up much of Japan’s growth potential. In classic Asian developmentalist fashion, he seems to content to rely on the old stand-bys of exports to the West and currency manipulation. Yawn.

In South Korea, the election of a woman to the presidency, and then the Sewol ferry tragedy was supposed to unleash a wave of domestic reform. But this has not happened. The chaebol family conglomerates still dominate Korean politics and economics, often using insider access to the state to buttress their own position (such as laws restricting foreign ownership). Nor have the family-friendly reforms many Korean feminists hoped for from the first female president come through. Day-care, for example, still is terribly difficult to find, routinely forcing educated women out of the labor force. Like Abe, Park comes from a conservative domestic coalition strongly vested in the status quo, and she has proven either unable or unwilling to challenge its dysfunctions.

Predictions: Sadly, almost nothing. If the Asian Financial Crisis and the Great Recession could not break the hold of mercantilist crony corporatism in Korea and Japan, I wonder what will…

3. China: Stasis Then Crisis?

China is perhaps the greatest disappointment. As elected leaders, Park and Abe must to some extent mirror the preferences of their coalitions. But Xi has degrees of freedom to push change. He scarcely has. His environmental deal with Obama does not represent real change, as it targets emissions levels China would likely hit anyway, and his signature initiative – the anti-corruption campaign – looks more and more like power-consolidation than a genuine graft crackdown. Xi is not weaning Chinese industry off its bad habits like industrial espionage, state patronage, shadow banking, infrastructural white elephants, and so on. He seems as unwilling as Abe to pursue structural reforms when the old ways – exports and infrastructure – seem so easy.

Predictions: The CCP fears economic change and Xi is more interested in foreign policy, which suggests stasis at home. But the Chinese economy is so distorted now that a banking, infrastructural, health, or environmental crisis that deeply embarrasses the government is probably coming.

edited 13th Jan '15 11:24:16 AM by Quag15

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#649: Jan 14th 2015 at 11:41:17 PM

Chinese Foreign Ministry is raising an eyebrow at the increase of the Japanese defense budget from "The Strait Times".

Statement says that they hope Tokyo is doing it for the right reasons.

Kayeka Since: Dec, 2009
#650: Jan 17th 2015 at 2:33:22 PM

[up]I'd say having a world power next door acting overly aggressive towards their neighbours is a perfectly valid reason to go shopping for tanks.

edited 17th Jan '15 2:33:40 PM by Kayeka


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