Cinema Sins

There's a fairly big backlash about Lucas and the many decisions he make in making the Prequels. When Disney announced they had bought Star Wars and Lucasfilm, a big part of the announcement was confirming that George Lucas wouldn't be involved, in particular to assuage those fears.

Him not being invovled is not the same as erasing him. They could have thrown out TCW if they really wanted to when they purged the old EU, but instead they kept it. It even had a noticeable impact on Rebels.

edited 15th Dec '16 5:42:31 PM by Karxrida

The agreement was Lucas would be involved as a Creative Consultant for the sequels, which in a dreamworld is the ideal arrangement: Lucas is a great ideas man (the aforementioned Cad Bane was originally his creation, design and character), and Disney would be able to convey his ideas well whilst adding their own. But in the real world, it was pretty evident this wasn't the case: Everyone was able to see that as a Kicked Upstairs thing to give Lucas a meaningless position and then just ignore him, except Lucas himself who seemed to actually think he'd be treated with some respect.

Disney itself pretty much pounded its chest proudly and announced to the world they didn't listen to any of Lucas's suggestions for TFA. A while ago Lucas gave a interview which he said something to that effect about how he actually somewhat regrets selling the franchise to Disney because of how they treated him afterwards and Disney didn't really dispute his statement.

On the Clone Wars: My impression was that the Ahsoka affair embittered the Anakin-Order relationship to the point they don't talk about it. It doesn't bother me they never mention her, I think it makes sense for the characters to be unwilling to go into that given how bitter the entire thing was.

I also liked Satine so each to his own I guess. I'm not as much bothered by the Jedi treatment of the Clones, in which I think they're pretty solid, if very oblivious, as much as the general tendency they had to violate the laws of geneva. Anakin loved to feign surrender or attack during negotiations, which man, was weird.

And a weird fascination with leading his men into gunfire. It's weird. SF Debris jokes ceaselessly about it in his reviews of Clone Wars episode. Basically Anakin's planning seems to revolve around "Which way will lead to more of my men dying?"

As for the Jedi, Shaak-ti comes to mind. The episodes where she's managing the cloning facilities, she reminds me of a farmer raising cattle. He may like some of his cattle more than others. But it's all business. Her (and all the Jedi) and weirdly okay with sentient people indoctrinated from birth to go fight (and die) in a war they have no stake in. It does make the episodes where our main Jedi fight slavers that delightfully more ironic. Sad the slavers never really point out the Jedi's own hypocrisy.

Shaak Ti being something of a dick to clones I remember, but I felt that was intentional to her. She's of the ol' Mace Windu school of ultra-hardline Jedi. I was mostly refering to Windu, Obi-Wan, Yoda and Anakin, who all seem to treat their soldiers reasonably well. The "oblivious" part I mentioned is that the Jedi at no point seem to catch on the fact they're using a slave army. It's some astounding ignorance that highlights the Jedi Order's complacency.

While they like the Clones and treat them very humanly all things considered (Yoda even counsels his clones to develop personality and individuality in his first episode), they never quite realize that they're leading a slave army bred to fight and die for them. The thought just entirely sidesteps them because they're so one-track-mind about stopping the Sith and defeating the Separatists.

It may be why the Slavers never point out the Jedi hypocrisy. As hilarious as it sounds, I could see that exchange going like: "Thine arts are slain, slaver!" "But you fight with a slave army, Jedi!" "No we don't!" "Aren't your men trained from birth to die for you and don't have any actual choice in their lives?" ".....By the Force"

edited 15th Dec '16 6:06:53 PM by Gaon

Yoda's the one that by far is shown caring about the Jedi, it's why he awesome. Same for the detective Jedi with the lightsaber cane.

But yeah, watching the whole slaver arcs, I was amazed it never came up. Especially when they constantly have the Jedi talk about how slavery is evil and the slavers are scum.

edited 15th Dec '16 6:11:00 PM by Ghilz

Plo Koon also insisted the clones were people with lives that mattered when he and a handful of them escaped the destruction of their ship. This was in response to one of them saying nobody would come to help because they were just clones.

I just assumed their use of the clones was just having to use the tools at hand. The clones were a ready trained, fully prepared army which was needed right this very second. The moral implications were buried under wartime emergencies.

Well most of the clones also never complained. They were bred from birth to be soldiers. They know (and basically want) no other life than to do their job and be useful, and they also know their lives are cheap.

Yes, the slave army thing is reprehensible and "Nobody Ever Complained Before" is a terrible excuse, but still, the clones treat it as their way of life.

edited 15th Dec '16 6:53:56 PM by theLibrarian

There was one Clone Trooper who saw the Jedi using the clones as a slave army. And I'm curious: Was this the work of Disney or squeezed in pre-Disney? I stopped watching the show somewhere early in the run due to a slight annoyance with the opening narrator and the anachronistic order of the episodes.

It was post disney

Amusingly, one thing that all the troopers being clones made easier was the animation budget for TCW. One face model for the lot of 'em.

Ah, I liked it when the Clone Troopers were so loyal to the Republic as to follow any order unquestioningly.

To be fair, they did put effort in diversifying them occasionally (scars, facial hair, etc...).

Plus, I said it before, I can't give enough props to the voice actor for the clones. He does an amazing job imbuing each one with different personality (variations in accent, intonations, etc). It's subtle but it does a lot to make them feel distinct.

Yeah, but when you make so many episodes of a TV show where you got named clones being super friends with their Jedi, it seems weird that the clones would ALL follow order 66 without question.

Plus the chips means Rex can remove his and turn out in Star Wars rebels. Which I am all for. Rex is awesome. And old Rex bitching about how bad Stormtrooper equipment is, well that's awesome.

edited 16th Dec '16 6:39:50 AM by Ghilz

Personally, I find it more tragic for them to blindly obey orders that go against the very people they have fought alongside. It removes the humanity and individuality that was nurtured by Jedi like Anakin and Master Yoda; turning them into nothing more than faceless weapons to be pointed at a problem. Faceless soldiers who are Just Following Orders when Mace Windu tried to arrest Palpatine and tried to kill him.

Having it be a chip in their head and I question why Palps didn't just flip the switch a lot sooner and keep his complexion.

Just Following Orders worked better when the clones weren't characters. The chips are better now that they are.

He wants a probable cause (Which Windu all too happily provides) because he wants people to "embrace" the empire (Makes them less likely to rebel). Especially as the Grand Army as shown it's spread thin and its forces are depleted from fighting the separatist. He needs people to remain favorable to the empire (and accept the Jedi's elimination) for at least long enough for him to rebuild his forces that by the point they've realized what's going on, there's stormtroopers everywhere.

Plus he really wanted a new apprentice.

edited 16th Dec '16 7:26:16 AM by Ghilz

That's Toy Story 3, for those that can't watch it.

And here's Home Alone.

edited 22nd Dec '16 9:39:46 AM by GethKnight

No blooper reel reference to Toht's burned hand? I am disappoint.

Oh hey, Deadpool

I didn't realize the guy who recruits Deadpool is one of the Galaxy Quest Aliens till now.

Poor guy really had his work cut out for him in this one. Deadpool makes fun of itself so much that it's difficult to make fun of as an outside party.

Did a good job, though, and I like the bonus round acknowledging this point.

Definitely have a winner for most sins removed lol.

You forgot Trolls 2.

Ah, I was hoping they'd do Deadpool eventually. I had pretty much given up on it, though.

Good one. Like I say pretty consistently, I think these are just better when they're coming from a place of love. And I really love Deadpool.