Cinema Sins

Kung Fu Panda 3

I loved KFP, but I really feel like the series got a lot more... Dreamworks-y as it's gone on.

The series as a whole really is getting worse about ruining serious dramatic moments with comedy.

I LOVED 3.

it peaked with 2 I think

the villain was just a huge downgrade too, and the 'one by one they fall' plot

Yeah, I liked 3, but I thought 2 was better with its "Magic vs Technology" angle.

Batman V. Superman: Dawn of Justice.

This is one where I haven't seen the film, but I'm going to watch it anyway.

Man, he did not care for Luthorburg or the Martha scene.

edited 4th Aug '16 11:02:53 AM by VeryMelon

Ooooooooh boy.

I hesitated to watch this video since I planned to see Bats vs. Supes some day. Now I'm almost glad to have watched Jeremy's take, because I'll be damned if I'm paying any sort of premium price for the privilege of seeing the film. I may rent it on Amazon Video for my son and me some night, and that'll be that.

Also, it sort of figures that Kryptonite would have to be involved. Clearly even the script writers realized that having Batman present a threat to Superman without employing it would be ludicrous.

edited 4th Aug '16 1:51:43 PM by Fighteer

Indeed. And Suicide Squad has had a similar reaction. Marvel Cinematic Universe DC is not.

Finally watching the video and wow he's not being kind to this XD

edited 5th Aug '16 12:35:59 PM by theLibrarian

Did not care to watch his Dawn of Justice video, so here's How To Train Your Dragon 2

I hope he calls out Stoick dying. That was the most cliche part of the movie for me.

He sure doesn't.

I was too busy being shocked that they even went there to find it cliché.

"Yup, kids' films have protagonists murder their own beloved family members all the time, So cliché."

edited 9th Aug '16 10:48:54 AM by TobiasDrake

When I first watched this, I remember getting mad that Hiccup got mad at Toothless despite him being under obvious Mind Control. That one moment pretty much screws up and otherwise good movie because of how stupid it is.

edited 9th Aug '16 12:15:19 PM by Karxrida

We can't choose what we feel. Hiccup knew that intellectually. He never takes that side again. In his head, he knew Toothless was blameless.

But in the heat of the moment, his heart was filled with hurt, betrayal, and rage. So much of it that there was no way to stop it from pouring out.

Anger is not, nor has it ever been, nor will it ever be logical. It drives us to hurt the people we love even when we know we shouldn't. Even when it isn't really their fault. Anger is a cruel, insidious mistress.

edited 9th Aug '16 12:25:32 PM by TobiasDrake

Yeah, real people don't always think straight in the moment.

Seriously, Hiccup's dad literally just died moments before it happened, so it's pretty understandable why he would respond that way.

I don't get the impression that it's literally supposed to be mind control. Rather, I got the idea that the Alpha was essentially compelling Toothless to do its bidding through Toothless's primal instinct, undoing Hiccup's taming.

edited 11th Aug '16 5:04:52 PM by DrDougsh

That's what I thought was happening too. After all, even without Hiccup's training his mother was able to control dragons as well. It's just that while Hiccup and his mother's training came through understanding, the villain controlled them through brute force. Not "I'm one of you" but more "I own you."

edited 10th Aug '16 4:55:42 PM by theLibrarian

I don't know. When Hiccup breaks through to Toothless, he does it by bonding with him and forgiving him, outright stating, "You would never do that to him." It seems pretty strongly indicated that Toothless was being forced into obedience against his will. It seems like a pretty straightforward "I Know You're in There Somewhere" Fight.

But on the other hand, the entire plan with the baby dragons relied on the idea that babies are disobedient by nature and don't listen to anyone - a plan that wouldn't make any sense if the Alpha was directly mind-controlling.

edited 11th Aug '16 8:22:27 AM by TobiasDrake

I figured the "babies don't listen to anyone!" thing was just their way of understanding that the babies brains hadn't developed enough for the Bewilderbeast to properly control.

Like, given the context and logistics of the whole thing, I'm reasonably sure that primal instinct to follow the alpha is what was intended here, but the writers and animators had to frame it to look like straight-up mind control because they didn't want to grapple with the more complex implications of Toothless killing Stoick through instinct rather than being hypnotised into doing it.

Speaking of Dragons, Petes Dragon.

... Jeremy... was not happy.