General Autism Discussion

This may have something to do with the fact that people are emotional beings who will let that aspect get into their way of work. I do not suffer from the same problem, as I consider my boss should be treated in an asylum and my manager has been infected, yet I still work well in his company.

Heck, one of my coworkers outright sabotaged another coworker's work solely because my manager has reassigned their job scope on top of asking a common subordinate of theirs to disobey his orders!

Human beings are indeed emotional. That includes those who call themselves "rational" again and again (see: my brother, who has anger issues and whose belief systems essentially all stem from his hatred of women).

Anyway, a great comment I wanted to share:

Multiple takeaways from this (and other stories similar to it). One is that "experts" tend to become jaded and used to "the way things are", so to speak, and don't easily change their views. Younger, less experienced people can be more open-minded and willing to change or try new things or accept new views.

Another, is that how one is treated can indeed have a big effect on how they act. Notice this person's son flapped and acted "like a stereotypical autistic" in front of the doctor who just saw him as a specimen rather than treating him as a human. Stimming is often a response to either stress or excessive stimulation of the senses. I can easily see a kid who's stressed out in an unexpected environment being looked at by a doctor who makes no effort to engage with him as a human being getting stressed out - and in this case, due to his autism, stimming.

And of course, that also includes people with autism and Aspergers. Emotions may be (seemingly) hidden (to quite a few), but they're there especially when one is pissed off for some reason.

Keep Rolling On

Speaking of rationality, I do realize that a person's worldview comes first before rationale. Taking the words of wisdom posted earlier, that particular person is indeed thinking rationally because the beliefs conform to his worldview. It's when the beliefs clashes with the worldview the beliefs become irrational. How this actually applies to how others think is out of my mind, though.

I was described by my superior as unemotional, sometimes to the point of being excessive. How being unemotional can be excessive?

edited 18th May '16 4:45:31 PM by murazrai

Being unemotional can be excessive in that people can be bothered or disturbed by someone who isn't "cheerful enough" and such. It's an allistic emotional needs thing.

It does make sense to me. After all, feeling what others feel is vital to human relationship in allistic people. However, I dislike that idea that one can be easily influenced by other people's emotions. Not wanting to ruin the environment is respectful, but to let your own emotions to get affected by others' emotions is a sign of emotional immaturity.

Speaking of that, my photoshoot of tissues, which is the box of tissues itself had to be re-shot because my superior said that although what is advertised (buy 2 boxes of tissues for a free tissue dispenser) is properly depicted, it confuses customers as to what they actually buy inside the box. So, I re-shot it to include a roll of said tissue above the box, but he was still not satisfied, saying that the tissue should be the focus, not the box. I had to shot a picture of several stacked rolls without the box.

I don't know advertising, but as a consumer, isn't that a violation of truth-in-advertising laws? After all, I am buying boxes of tissues yet I see none of them. I tried to use this argument, but he said that I am too rational and the tissues should be the focus of the picture. It really confused me.

Advertising is about manipulating people's emotions to make them spend money on a product. It's all about emotion. I can understand that. Most people don't think like we do when buying products.

In fact, I read about the history of Febreeze, a product designed to eliminate odors. It works brilliantly and costs like nothing. But at first it was a sales flop, until the company that made it discovered a woman who loved Febreeze, and would spray tiny amounts of it in the air while cleaning. The ad campaign changed from "this gets rid of bad odors" to "while you're cleaning, spray a little Febreeze to celebrate". The product went from a flop to a huge hit.

Does that make sense? To me it sure as hell doesn't. But that's how allistics think. Advertising is about playing on allistic emotions, not autistic logic.

Allistic?

Also, not sn expert on marketing, but shouldn't the focus of the ad be on the free thing?

edited 22nd May '16 3:18:10 PM by DeMarquis

The picture of the dispenser is right in the ad, which has no problems. The problem is to how depict the tissues properly.

What's this about a tissue dispenser??

"Allistic" is a word invented by autistics. It refers to non-autistic people.

Since "autism" comes from "auto", which is Latin for "self", "allism/allistic" comes from "allo", which is Greek for "others".

It makes more sense than "neurotypical", since a person can be non-autistic and still be quite different from the norm.

In my experience, tissues don't need a dispenser. Therefore I am experiencing a visualisation failure of what the product looks like.

It is in fact a violation of the law to not (within an incredibly wide margin of error) depict exactly the product being sold. Including the "free" item.

In my experience proper adherence to advertising laws is above the pay grade of the guy photographing stuff. There's a lot of shit in the world that's not your problem, this sounds like one of those things.

edited 22nd May '16 6:39:02 PM by Silasw

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran

I'm still confused. What exactly is the problem??

wrong thread

edited 22nd May '16 7:41:11 PM by hellomoto

You know the thing that holds the tissue roll while you pull a few pieces of them and cut them out? That is what our company calls tissue dispenser.

I was shooting a box of tissues for an ad, which is rejected and I had to shoot a picture of several tissue rolls instead, despite what was advertised is the box itself.

Indeed.

Tissue... roll...? Oh, you mean paper towels?

Sort of. We called it that way because it come in rolls.

A non-verbal, severely autistic man, insists on being called "nonverbal" instead of "low functioning". And I agree with his point. He says "If I am writing you this letter, I am functioning, aren't I?"

He wrote a letter to the police about what it's like to have autism, as he was upset about stories he heard about autistics being misunderstood. He said it broke his heart because no-one was truly at fault.

Throughout his life, his parents openly worried about his future right in front of him, assuming he didn't understand what they were talking about. But once he learned how to point to letters to communicate, and then later, to type, he made it clear that he understood the whole time.

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Now, not sure why I didn't bring this up a couple days ago, but over the weekend, an online friend who has Aspergers Syndrome traveled several states across the US to spend time at my house. And it was quite awkward, though it was nice to see her in person. She spent most of her time in her bedroom, using the computer, and we chatted through typing on Skype more often than we talked face-to-face, despite her being in the room right next to me. We did not do many activities, except driving to a food store that's known in my part of the country but not hers (we talked in the car, and also while there), and doing a photosession in my backyard.

The experience got the attention of my parents, who noticed some of my traits in her, but both more and less so. "Facial expressions and eye contact", my mom noted. Her eye contact being worse than mine, and her being less directly social and also less socially comfortable. They also noted the irony in her traveling to many countries around the world, despite being very unsocial and perhaps more routine-driven than me. In her participating in many activities (like going to plays) despite being less socially at-ease than me. And also how she did things like end a conversation abruptly by getting up and leaving. I noticed her extreme bluntness (considerably more than me). They also were in awe of her high intelligence and wisdom. Even my younger brother, the manospherian misogynistic alpha bro, seemed intimidated by her.

I'd known her for a few years, but seeing her in person was quite an experience, and it revealed Aspie traits that I didn't really know she had, and for that matter, that she had more than I did. Autism can indeed take many forms. Having someone come over to your house and hang out in the bedroom one room over while you chat on Skype is certainly an unusual experience.

edited 25th May '16 1:58:59 PM by BonsaiForest

Just because someone is asocial doesn't mean that someone does not fond to go outside. The same goes with me as I frequent arcades once per month. Then again, I do get friendly with the arcade gamers without actually being friends (you don't see much people shaking hands with your opponents/partners after a game session is over, right?). But the Skyping...if she goes to a house in Asia, she will not be welcomed with such behaviour. They expect guests to have face-to-face interaction.

Speaking of this, what are the good practices for aspies traveling abroad? I'm going to Japan this October for Music Media-Mix Market and mini lives in a Tower Records shop. The only thing that I know is that Japan is a fast-paced yet slow country, so running outside of parks or designated running areas are right out.

Everyone was shocked when I told them that I am going solely for the former and will stay for a mere two days (if not for inconvenient airline flight times and my departing flight falls on a public holiday, it will be a measly one day), saying things in lines of "is two days really enough for you?" and harping me for souvenirs, a thing that I rejected in advance. Thankfully, I used a budget airline and cut off checked baggage, so they don't harp me for souvenirs anymore, knowing that I can't carry them. I thought asking for souvenirs is selfish because it causes travelers hassles.

Then again, when my trip to Penang was cut short due to my boss cut my leaves from 2 days to 1 day, they told me to cancel the trip instead of cut it short despite that having paid for the bus ticket (I cancelled the hotel booking without cancellation charges and booked another one which is right next to a bus terminal).

Souvenirs are a bit like Christmas presents here in Canada. They are expected for close family at least. But they can be cheap. Postcards and key fobs cheap.

Well, I'm on my way to being put in charge of designing forms at work. I redesigned both the office phone list and a form used for something specific, making them both wayyy easier on the eyes, more pleasant to look at, and much easier to find important information.

I already received 14 e-mails praising my redesign of the office phone list, and my boss is now letting people know that I redesigned this one mildly pain-in-the-ass form to be far better. I told her that I'd love to be put in charge of forms since it involves using creativity to redesign them.

She knows I'm autistic. She said that I'm "higher functioning" than this other man in another office she worked in. That guy would say hello but never start conversations, whereas I let my thoughts out. She knows also, I think (we chatted a bit about my visit with my friend), that autism can come with creativity, high intelligence, etc.

edited 26th May '16 7:41:15 AM by BonsaiForest

It's my family members who don't ask for souvenirs. The ones harping are my coworkers and they outright reject keychains.

That's good to hear. Form designing is a rather complicated task which contrary to popular belief, is not simply "put whatever you need to know". I'd say that while autism can come with special abilities, they need to be properly harnessed or they won't work.

Man the NHS bureaucracy is a pain these days. The place that did my ADD diagnosis said on my ADD diagnosis that they think I'm probably ASD (think it's ASC now, they changed the acronym again) and gave a number and department that I could be referred to for a diagnosis, but it's not that simply, see my doctor and I first have to have my doctor refere me, the place accept me, and then my doctor and I fill out a self assessment form that gets sent to a local funding board so that they can approve for me to go out of area to the place that did my ADD diagnosis.

Still we're trucking on.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran

Search comes up negative for what ASC might stand for in this context. Did they tell you what it means?