Oh, I don't mind agreeing to the fact that there is a lot of racism to it. My main gripe is the Wally I grew up reading about is gone. The young sidekick nephew of Barry who had to take up the mantle after his mentor died, sharing a history with all the other young sidekicks? gone. His really, really well written and touching coming into his own from a rather shallow playboy into a loving boyfriend turned husband and father? Gone.
Seriously, a story I'm fond of is he and Linda sold their love to Neron to save the day...and it was so strong it turned Neron into a kind and caring demon until he literally begged them to take it back.
Seconded not denying the racism some Wally fans indulge in.
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Basically. There's legitimate criticism and the there's "He's black! Kill him!" The vast majority of the criticism of New 52 Wally I've seen tends to fall into the latter.
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edited 10th Sep '14 8:31:51 PM by comicwriter
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Manapul's art is the bomb. I would kill for a whole Flash and/or Green Arrow series by him set in the TV-verse.
edited 10th Sep '14 6:24:46 PM by kalel94
The last hurrah? Nah, I'd do it again.
Manapul is a terrific artist, but not the best writer.
8 Things From The Flash Comics The TV Show Desperately Needs To Avoid
- Barry Allen's Love of Flash Comics
- The Cosmic Treadmill
- Overuse of Time Travel
- The Confusion of the Speed Force
- Most of the Flash's More Ridiculous Powers
- "The Trial of the Flash"
- The Fiddler
- The Ouroboros of Barry Allen
edited 11th Sep '14 8:21:44 AM by VeryMelon
Disagreed on number one, at least in the general form. Specifically, yeah, having an older Flash that Barry is already a fan of would be... weird, but having him be a fan of comics people start making about him would be fantastic.
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1) Agree with
2) Yeah, keep that thing out.
3) While they have a point that it may strain the show's budget, I'd prefer that they use time travel often (not every other episode, but once or twice a season could be interesting).
4) Disagree. They probably should tone it down a bit, but I think that it could lead to interesting storylines on the long term.
5) Same as 4. Creative use of powers is cool.
6) They seem to be already going in this direction in the show.
7) Disagree.
8) I actually like that he is the one who caused his powers.
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Andrew Kreisberg says he wants to try to get every actor from the original series onto the Flash.
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On the one hand, COOL!
On the other, the only people anyone's going to remember from the original show are John Wesley Shipp (who they have) and Mark Hamill. Anyone else is going to get a "who the hell is that?" from the audience.
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Don't see that as a problem. Actors get work, producers get to respect people they liked when they liked when they were younger and the audience won't know 90% of actors they could/will hire anyway.
I'd never heard of the guy who's playing Barry this time round.
@Melon: I'd like to see the IMP later on in the series. Especially since right now, the Flash can only break the sound barrier, but I'm assuming that he gets faster as the series goes on.
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I'd love to see the Infinite Mass Punch too someday.
So does that mean Mark Hamill's going to be in the show? If Jay Garrick exists in this universe, I could see him playing one of his enemies.
edited 12th Sep '14 9:05:47 PM by KnownUnknown
"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
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If he wants to be on the show he would.
It is just that the producers of the Flash were fans of the 90s Flash show so they want to get as many people from the original as they can get.
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In the comics, did we ever meet the Trickster's father? I don't know if Mark could physically handle being James Jesse again, but he could be his dad.
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Thus making my point. I had to google both the actress and the character.
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The character? She was the principal female lead in the original Flash series.
She had an all-girl gang and everything.
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20 years ago. The fact that I remember the lead actor and the show's most memorable recurring villian and not the female lead should say a lot about how memorable she was.
edited 16th Sep '14 4:17:39 AM by CEOIII
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So what ? I had to Google more than one character they cast. You think Heatwave or even Captain Cold means much to the general public ?
Arrow did fine with shout outs that went over the heads of people, Flash will do the same. If a viewer remembers her, yay them. If not, no harm. They're not selling the show based on any of the old actors coming back.
edited 16th Sep '14 11:18:24 AM by Anteres
I understand that and completely agree that Wally was crapped on.
I don't however agree with the bigotry that's presented in those comments. None of those concerns that were aired were stated by those "fans" or at least that I can see.
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