Nickelodeon in General

What the? Who mentioned the Shyamalan movie? Cuz it wasn't me. Never said "screwed over". either. Well I didn't word it like that at least.

The first season of Korra did pretty well if I remember, they promoted it regularly and the Saturday morning time seemed to work quitenicely, it started during the second season. We didn't learn that season 2 was airing until about 2 weeks prior and they changed the timeslot to 7pm on Friday. There were several problems with this, a lot of people didn't get the memo, and for older fans it was a bad time because of work or other stuff people do on Friday nights. There was literally no promotion for the episodes week to week and the promo announcing the season was rarely showed on TV. That didn't change with the other two seasons, ratings plummeted, so Nickelodeon made the decision to switch to online, which would've been great if the Nick Video didn't suck so badly. And foreign fans weren't able to watch on Nick.com if I remember correctly.

I also must mention there were no reruns for Korra on Nick, that also helps a lot with promoting the show and getting more viewers once new episodes air.

And then there were the episodes that got leaked online early.

I understand with Avatar that there were problems with the production itself I think, and it was kinda nice getting the second half all in one week. But it did seem like Nick wanted to get it over with rather quickly.

edited 3rd May '16 8:29:24 PM by diyedas

See, I don't see how putting the damn thing on Friday nights is a bad decision.

Bad for adults, sure, but it's the perfect time for kids' programming. Remember how Cartoon Network premiered all their new shows on Fridays for years? And at 7 pm you could probably watch the show then go out anyway.

(Oh... And yes, I can recall that the show's reception was mixed at best. Probably this was why they decided to "screw it over.")

edited 3rd May '16 8:31:58 PM by Aldo930

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I don't even think the original creator of Breadwinners expected it to last or even be picked up for that matter.

....Huh, makes me wonder what he/she is doing now. I know other internet personalities that networks tried to pick up ended up loosing a lot of face (Fred lost a lot of subscribers and Annoying Orange has lost a lot as well)....

x3 Yeah I don't think Friday night is usually bad at all. Heck I remember spending most of my friday nights watching new episodes of tv shows I liked. But I think most of the people interested in watching Korra were the adults and teens, the ones who grew up watching Avatar. I dunno how much of the viewers were just kids because it being a sequel and all that. I could be wrong though, but this is just what I get from being in the fandom for as long as I have been.

But in the end it was the lack of promos that probably was the biggest the problem.

I love you Aldo, and you are right about hte Friday thing, but remember, its the night both Disney and CN break out the heavy hitters. So it WAS a bad timeslot. And it was doing fine on Saturdays. Amazing even. But then again I hate the show.

I still don't see why they decided to change the time in the first place.

Maybe they wanted a hit to compete on Friday Nights with Disney and CN. Also, Im sick of how selfish the adult viewers can be.

It's not really selfish to dislike being inconvenienced by airing changes like that.

Nono, they are right in that area. In fact it was better for the show to stay on Saturdays. No. I meant the whole "THIS IS OUR SHOW, WE ARE THE REAL FANBASE. DEAL WITH IT." Korra was never meant to be a show aimed at adults, it was a kids show adults could enjoy and even love. I hate that adults take stuff for themselves. Even Avatar The Last Airbender was a kids show.iIn their eyes Kids dont deserve quality, Kids dont deserve great storytelling, if a show is of high quality, its for adults not those brats.

Ok rant over, I swear I wont do it again.

I agree with just about everything you said, Aegis. Fans (especially the adult ones) can be SO entitled.

WOW! I never thought anyone would agree! You rock!

Thanks!

Yes, it is weird that certain people think to dismiss kids from quality writing. It's a "Kids Show" where this quality writing comes from and it's even written in a way they can understand. They don't deserve anything less just because some entitled older fans think so.

Well I do agree with you mostly, although I would say Korra itself was meant for the teenage-adult range, especially considering some of the content they put in it. Though I don't think we as veterans Avatar fans are entitled to have it to ourselves and that kids can't enjoy the show, it's frankly awesome if a kid watches the show and can appreciate it. I have a young niece who got really into Korra and Avatar, her whole family liked it. I was pretty happy to be able to share that with her.

Besides the content differences between the demographics, I would say that there isn't much of a difference in the way shows are written.

Having or not having mature themes and how they're handled...be probably the only widely differing.

I agree that Korra does have some content that could be problematic to children that's true,

Like the things about equality, spiritually and stuff like that.

That's... quite tame actually. I wouldnt stop showing the show to kids due to that. I meant more like the assasinations and stuff. But even that its tame, even DBZ had more gory stuff and still its for kids.

It's nice to see a show (and a new one at that) kick the Sponge's butt.

@2005: If it mainly garnered an audience of adults and teens... no wonder it failed. It wasn't attracting enough kids on a children's network.

Again, kids shouldn't be left out just because of a group of snobbish, entitled grown men.

edited 4th May '16 6:59:23 AM by superboy313

I think that we're taking some pretty big assumptions here.

Yes, the show attracted a large peripheral audience, but that's not to say that there couldn't have been a solid younger base. I'm not going to pretend like the show was perfect, and some of the tonal decisions definitely made sure that it didn't maximize the potential youth audience, but Avatar had those moments as well, and honestly for as long as its run there weren't as many intentional moves to screw it over. In fact, it felt like the show garnered quite a bit of goodwill for the network, to the point where I'm almost certain that if Avatar wasn't the predecessor Korra would not have been on the air for as long as it was.

Anyways, there were issues across the board. From the overall weak Season 2 (not helped by the guest animation company brought in to do the first half of the season so that the main team could blow the budget on Beginnings) to the wonky release and promotion schedule to the reliance on online videos to the point where I'm almost certain that the show had to be some sort of guinea pig for the network to test the viability of online only web shows, Korra had a pretty rough time.

I could bitch about the Animation Age Ghetto and how none of these problems would really be here if animators weren't forced to play into shows aimed at younger demographics controlled by a handful of highly centralized production companies, but honestly it's preaching to the choir at this point.

It's also important to note that Korra aired for 4 seasons. It was screwed to hell and back during it's tenure on the air but it aired for 4 seasons.

4 seasons.

How was it more screwed over than, say, all those Nicktoons that never got a chance and had the remaining episodes dumped on Nicktoons Network? Or those Nicktoons that to this day have episodes never aired in the U.S.?

It's arguably been better treated than most Nicktoons ever have.

And other cartoon channels have treated their shows WORSE than Nick has as a whole. (*cough* Young Justice *cough*)

edited 4th May '16 8:50:53 AM by superboy313