Gotham

This has been... quite a show.

Shame the finale will be a Backdoor Pilot for a show that will never, ever get made.

Na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na BATMAN!

Classic Catwoman up in here! You go Selina!

Go Bruce! You rock that Batsuit!

I mean, we still haven't gotten a good look at it, but hey! You're finally wearing the suit at least! And you got it in half the time Clark did!

Yeah, see and this is why they should've just put a bullet in Jeremiah after they got him out of the chemical bath all those years ago.

We lose more harlequin's that way.

Get wrecked Jeremiah.

Edited by Guy01 on Apr 25th 2019 at 6:01:57 AM

My one complaint is that they didn't cram the finale with as many rogue cameos as possible. Otherwise it was a good ending.

Jan 14th, 2014

A shame the TP doesn't post here anymore, but, wow. I'm feeling rather nostalgic.

This is the first show I've finished in awhile that wasn't cancelled. I remember thinking the concept for this was dumb and that the show would never work, or see conclusion.

It almost didn't, but, still.

Selina's conversation with Bruce at the end hit me in the feels.

I'm gonna miss Robin Lord Taylor as Penguin. His performance was gorgeous.

Edited by BearyScary on Apr 25th 2019 at 8:03:08 AM

I'll miss the show and thought this was a fine send-up, but I don't understand the choice to handle Bruce like that. Batman certainly, but not Bruce.

That's an understatement. The previous two season finales were essentially set up to be series finales, and it shows in each.

Season 4 had the bridge blow up and the start of No Man's Land. How did Season 3 end?

EDIT: Bruce is the one sour part of this to me. Seasons 1 through 2 were alright, and the episode where he confronted Gotham's "Joe Chill" was great. But around that point I think he should have taken a season off. I caught bits and pieces of Season 4 when he started acting more like the adult Bruce Wayne - standing on a dangerous landing with Selina, acting cool and relaxed, playing up the hedonistic playboy look - and it seemed like they were moving too fast.

I think by Season 3 he's killed Ra's Al Ghul and by Season 4 he's wearing a proto-Batsuit. Yeah, way too fast.

I think they should have tried to split the story like they did with Fish for awhile - showed Bruce training with Zatanna or somebody else in another country then had him return to Gotham for the No Man's Land story, maybe enter around whichever episode it was when Bruce had supplies dropped in.

Edited by Soble on Apr 26th 2019 at 6:02:45 AM

Season 3 ending: Barbara dead (why did they have to bring her back?...), Butch revealed to be Grundy, Penguin opening the Ice Berg Lounge, Selina getting closer to becoming Catwoman, Bruce becoming closer to becoming Batman in a proto-bat suit.

Ah.

If they'd ended there that would have been... kind of awful?

So she could have Gordon's kid, t'is the way of canon...though they ignored it entirely for Harvey Dent, Montoya, Allen, and Sal Maroni for some reason.

Anyway, wouldn't have imagined the show would turn out so good after the first season was...so random and unfocused, (complete with an Aborted Arc towards the end)

But it really took off once Galavan arrived and never looked back. Each better than the last.

I do wish Butch had stayed to the end, Harvey Dent had been handled differently, and Dollmaker's arc revisited. That's about it for the show was.

Oh and Jerome could've done the finale just fine.

Edited by terlwyth on Apr 26th 2019 at 1:34:39 AM

Does anyone get the feeling some sort of remnant of Jerome took over Jeremiah? You know how Jeremiah has these arguments with himself in Jerome's voice in season 5? And he's suddenly acting way more like Jerome? I think the special gas that infected Jeremiah had a bit of Jerome's DNA like Return of the Joker, it would give Jerome's comment about living on in Gotham's discontent more literal. Plus it's Jerome who has the obsession with Bruce, not Jeremiah who only knew him for like a day or so, and it always struck me as out of character that Jerome would want a successor who could potentially overshadow him. Maybe it's because i prefer Jerome to Jeremiah, honestly i don't understand why people would want to recreate Golden Age Joker when regular Joker is way more entertaining and scarier.

Is Copperhead a subversion of Reptiles Are Abhorrent? Sure she's an assassin but she's more a Punch-Clock Villain and only kills people she's hired to kill.

I'm catching up on s5, and I really love their interpretation of Bruce. I like that they showed that the death of Bruce's parents impacted him, but that Bruce is always incredibly compassionate and wants to help people, not just punch out his issues.

Wow. I do not remember this scene:

This is pretty great.

I'll always be amused that they brought back Tommy Elliott from the show's obscurity and even recast the actor just to have him be Bruce's bro for a bit and then get owned by Alfred.

Now that Season 5's finally on Netflix, I eventually caught up. And what can I say except... Eh?

Then again, that's kind of how I've felt about the show for the most of its run. For every good thing in it the show has had issues that even the experience out. Zsasz and Harvey will never not be entertaining, and the show's version of Bane was great, even if I'm somewhat disappointed his plotline just turned into a rehash of Dark Knight Rises. I also was glad to see characters like Scarface and Jane Doe make an appearance, even if they were brief. The show's set design as always been superb, I wish I could say the same whoever is responsible for the hair department.

While I thoroughly enjoyed Season 5, I can't help but think they've been kinda running on fumes with the show for a while, mostly in regards of giving the regular cast something to do from episode to episode. Some of that interaction was painfully forced, sometimes it brought us delightful gems like the odd Team Rocket -esque relationship Penguin and Riddler had for most of this season. The separate epilogue episode felt wholly unnecessary and just made the ending drag like The Return of the King.

My biggest gripe with the show was its handling of Joker. As great as Cameron Monaghan was playing the character, I wish they'd been more sparing with him. I feel like moving his obsession from Batman to Bruce Wayne sort of misses the point of the character, especially given how there's plenty of villains (Hush, Black Mask, Talon) who are plenty fixated on Wayne already. Jeremiah's whole plot this season could've easily been given to Hush with just minor tweaks.

Then again, the show clearly didn't know what to do with Ivy either, but that felt like a less of a loss since I've never found the character particularly compelling or interesting.

Overall, I did enjoy my time with Gotham, even if it was a bumpy ride throughout.

Edited by Xeroop on Mar 30th 2020 at 8:40:34 PM

Late to the party and binging the final season now.

Dear lord, whoever thought keeping Barbara around for that long was a good idea?

Worst character on the show by far.

There were reasons why the second Lee came on the scene fans were wondering if they would FINALLY get rid of Barbara.

Barbara had her ups and downs post-Face–Heel Turn but I never liked Lee, who exists only to enable Jim's addiction to Romantic Plot Tumors.

Barbara was fine, she was the original character (sorta) Phish Mooney was trying to be. The mistake was trying to make her an anti-hero when she was a total psycho.

Why was Bradley Darryl Wong as Dr. Hugo Strange never awarded?

Jesus, I love the guy in the role, he is so unbelievably creepy.

Edited by Forenperser on Oct 4th 2020 at 2:11:43 PM

Personally I loved Harvey Dent and wonder where he went after Season 1. They should have used him more instead of Nygma and that other Comish who turned into the Judge guy.

I didn't really for this show's take on Harvey. Mostly because I prefer stories where he and Bruce are old friends. Which is impossible in Gotham.

Edited by Bullman on May 23rd 2021 at 8:41:54 AM

Considering how they did nothing with him after season 2, they shouldn't have even bothered.