Ukraine protests: Thousands march through capital
- over 100,000 by some counts
Ukrainian protesters besiege government building
Clashes amid huge Ukraine protest against U-turn on EU
Over 300,000 defy protest ban in Ukraine- "Fierce clashes erupt after protesters take to streets again, chanting "revolution" as anger against government grows."
What started as a protest against the decision not to sign an agreement with the EU seems to have escalated into a "Color Revolution" or "Arab Spring" style movement to force the government to resign. By some reports, the police are using violent tactics to suppress the street protests.
The Western half of the Ukraine has historically felt closer to Europe , and wants to move Ukrainian society in that direction. Eastern Ukraine feels culturally closer to Russia, and favors closer relations with that country. The current regime of President Viktor Yanukovich is part of that camp. The current confrontations can be seen as a clash between these two halves of Ukrainian society.
EDIT (2/24/2022)
This thread was originally opened in 2013 during the beginning of the revolt in Ukraine that eventually over-threw the dictatorship of the Yanukovyich regime and instituted democratic elections soon afterward. As of this writing, in the aftermath of the Russian invasion that began on 2/23, it is not clear whether or for how long Ukraine will continue to exist as an independent country.
Statements made nine years ago still seem relevant: "The Western half of the Ukraine has historically felt closer to Europe , and wants to move Ukrainian society in that direction. Eastern Ukraine feels culturally closer to Russia, and favors closer relations with that country... The current confrontations can be seen as a clash between these two halves of Ukrainian society." Some people have expressed the view that the confrontation between Russia and Ukraine, beginning in 2014, never really ended.
The invasion is also a result of certain grievances proclaimed by Vladimir Putin, the current President of Russia, and used by him as justification for armed attack and occupation. Western governments, and others around the world, have joined together in condemnation of this attack.
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Edited by Tabs on Mar 20th 2022 at 4:26:26 AM
Political theater. One could almost believe they choreograph with each other.
Next up, a rousing aria, followed by a dance routine.
When in deadly danger, When beset by doubt, Run in little circles, Wave your arms and shout.
Any chance of sticking them both in a propane + air tank? Maybe the risk of being blown up will make them stop talking hot air.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Would be kind of amusing if someone had a recording of them planning it out. Complete with dress rehersals and rewrites. Costume changes too.
At their level of skill and experience, it is entirely unnecessary for them to plan anything, I assure you. It's a game all politicians learn to play.
Shameful Display
Russia demands garuntee from Nato that Ukraine will never be included into Nato Anyone for doing just the opposite to troll the bear say aye
Aye
I Bring Doom,and a bit of gloom, but mostly gloom.
Thats exceptionally short-sighted. On both sides.
I dont think there is any advantage to the West from including Ukraine in NATO right now. It probably wouldnt be practical. That said, "never" is a very long time.
I find it more than a little rich of Russia to demand such a thing considering they promised to respect Ukrainian territorial integrity in exchange for Ukraine handing over their nuclear weapons. We all know how that ended up panning out.
That being said there's no real advantage for the West to having Ukraine join NATO at the moment, and they'd have to work out their territorial disputes before such a thing could even potentially come to pass anyway. And as much as I disagree with Russia's actions, pointlessly provoking them isn't going to make things simmer down.
edited 18th Nov '14 8:57:57 PM by fairywine
The leader of LPR Plotnitskiy has challenged Poroshenko to "a fair and square duel, as our Slavic ancestors did". He also left the choice of the place and the weapons to the Ukrainian President.
This is all a particularly macabre sketch of Monty Python and we're all going to wake up any minute now, aren't we?
Khto tse, mamo-mamo?
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Suddenly I'm thinking of Plotnitsky as the Black Knight and Poroshenko as Arthur, King of the Ukrainians...
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
Hm. Publicly challenging someone to a duel would be a crime over here.
No, more about keeping drunk morons from killing each other out in public. It would practically depopulate Texas.
And most college campuses. 
Radical Moderate
He's not the first to suggest such a thing.
A procrastination in of itself
Not the first to suggest depopulating Texas/college campuses?
One year since Maydan began, people gathering around the places of the revolution in Kyiv, Poroshenko was heckled when he tried to come out to Maydan.
Khto tse, mamo-mamo?
HGW XX/7
A year already? Time flies.
Schild und Schwert der Partei
The spokesman of the Ukrainian Foreign Affairs Ministry, Yevhen Perebiynis, has declared on Twitter that Plotnitskiy "is only worthy of a duel with Ukrainian justice".
Ah, looks like the coalition agreement has been signed - BPP, the National Front, Samopomich, Oleh Lyashko's Radical Party and Batkivshchyna.
The signing of the Coalition Agreement.
Donetsk airport, as seen by a Ukrainian drone a few days ago.
edited 21st Nov '14 4:26:10 AM by emuran
Khto tse, mamo-mamo?
HGW XX/7
Good comeback. According to War is Boring, the Russians are preparing for a winter offensive. Not good.
Schild und Schwert der Partei
Interviews from both Putin and Poroshenko today, the former says he "is worried about ethnical cleansing and Ukraine becoming a neo-Nazi state", the latter says "Ukraine is ready for total war".
Khto tse, mamo-mamo?