Ukraine protests: Thousands march through capital
- over 100,000 by some counts
Ukrainian protesters besiege government building
Clashes amid huge Ukraine protest against U-turn on EU
Over 300,000 defy protest ban in Ukraine- "Fierce clashes erupt after protesters take to streets again, chanting "revolution" as anger against government grows."
What started as a protest against the decision not to sign an agreement with the EU seems to have escalated into a "Color Revolution" or "Arab Spring" style movement to force the government to resign. By some reports, the police are using violent tactics to suppress the street protests.
The Western half of the Ukraine has historically felt closer to Europe , and wants to move Ukrainian society in that direction. Eastern Ukraine feels culturally closer to Russia, and favors closer relations with that country. The current regime of President Viktor Yanukovich is part of that camp. The current confrontations can be seen as a clash between these two halves of Ukrainian society.
EDIT (2/24/2022)
This thread was originally opened in 2013 during the beginning of the revolt in Ukraine that eventually over-threw the dictatorship of the Yanukovyich regime and instituted democratic elections soon afterward. As of this writing, in the aftermath of the Russian invasion that began on 2/23, it is not clear whether or for how long Ukraine will continue to exist as an independent country.
Statements made nine years ago still seem relevant: "The Western half of the Ukraine has historically felt closer to Europe , and wants to move Ukrainian society in that direction. Eastern Ukraine feels culturally closer to Russia, and favors closer relations with that country... The current confrontations can be seen as a clash between these two halves of Ukrainian society." Some people have expressed the view that the confrontation between Russia and Ukraine, beginning in 2014, never really ended.
The invasion is also a result of certain grievances proclaimed by Vladimir Putin, the current President of Russia, and used by him as justification for armed attack and occupation. Western governments, and others around the world, have joined together in condemnation of this attack.
While we do not know what the ultimate outcome of these events will be, this thread will continue to be made available as a place to record news, ask questions and express opinions about the "Crisis in Ukraine."
This map will help track the latest developments.
Do not post anything about the Ukrainian military movement and strategy. This could actually result in casualties.
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Edited by Tabs on Mar 20th 2022 at 4:26:26 AM
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Could be. Went to check a map someone made. IIRC, FRL/RVC/SB forces are fighting near the Ukrainian-Russian border that's near Belgorod.
Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, March 31, 2024
- Orthodox Church in Russia continues to promote war. Including pro war prayers. Dissent in the clergy is being suppressed, and some members have been defrocked.
- Russia attacks Ukrainian energy infrastructure.
- Ukraine have repelled an attack on Adiivka.
- France is working on aid.
- Russian April conscription is on going.
- Alexander Lapin has been appointed as commander of Leningrad military district.
- Russia made gains.
https://www.reddit.com/r/TankPorn/comments/1bo0mga/russian_forces_captured_the_german_ifv_marder_in/
Video of a captured 1A3 in Russian control. Heard that they’ve been able to make repairs on it.
Sometimes it's weird how much of this war is caught on camera.
Never trust anyone who uses "degenerate" as an insult.
Welcome to the social media era. Try to imagine if civilians had access to the Internet and social media to access stuff in The Vietnam War...
Back on topic. I must wonder if the not-so-receptive attitude now felt in Europe and in the US over supporting Ukraine may be because of NATO equipment getting captured? I mean, we kept claiming if NATO sent better equipment to Ukraine, they would win but if we keep hearing stuff like Russia capturing this Storm Shadow last year, I shudder to think what would happen if the Russians got a hold of an M1 Abrams...
Edited by HallowHawk on Apr 1st 2024 at 2:12:59 AM
Which is an apt comparison because if I recall correctly, the Vietnam War is often considered to be the first televised war.
Welcome to Estalia, gentlemen.
https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1773839900263211201
FSB unveiled this new MRAP.
I won't be surprised if some people looking at it like "The Enforcer" will say that the Marder's old tech and the 1A3 is just upgrades and there's no need to panic.
Edited by Ominae on Apr 1st 2024 at 7:58:07 AM
Oh, bother.
The real reason this war is losing support is because it's lasted longer than anyone thought it would. Remember, everyone initially thought Russia would just steamroll Ukraine.
Including on this thread. I remember when the moment the attacks actually started we were all "welp, that's it, Ukraine's done".
Edited by M84 on Apr 1st 2024 at 11:11:16 PM
Disgusted, but not surprised
Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, April 1, 2024
- Russia continues the effort to blame Ukraine for Crocus Hall.
- More anti-immigrant measures.
- Russia made gains.
- Russia claims that conscripts from the current call up will not participate in war.
Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, April 2, 2024
- Ukraine lowered mobilization age from 27 to 25.
- Ukraine attacked oil refinery and drone production in Tatarstan Republic 1200 km from border.
- Ukraine claims that strike against its energy infrastructure will pause.
- Kyrgyzstan stopped accepting the Mir payment system.
- NATO proposed an aid package.
Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, April 3, 2024
- Russia is making more and bigger assaults of late.
- Russia claimed that recent terrorist attack resulted in more recruitment.
- Ukraine and Finland signed an agreement about aid.
- Russia is expanding social benefits for military.
An interesting dummy the Russian military's using to try and draw fire from the Ukrainians and make them waste ammo.
Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, April 4, 2024
- Russia is trying to rally the CIS against the west.
- Russia made gains.
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Given the way Russia abandoned Armenia, the still unresolved border disputes between Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan and the fact that Kazakhstan very conspicuously opened talks for increased trade with the US in 22, the CIS is pretty non-functional at this moment
Oh, that CIS.
Honestly, when I read that, I thought it meant "rallying straight males against the west." Which, taking into account Putin's rethoric, I guess kind of made sense to me.
Surrounded by weirdoes
So, Russia burned like all their nearest bridges already?
Wake me up at your own risk.
Brenner's Wolves Fight Again
Well, Serbia is still fanatic for Russia.
Where there's life, there's hope.
And there’s China… though Xi’s helping out of pragmatism more than good will.
Also, North Korea. >.>
Iran, Venezuela, Belarus, African countries that have juntas and are agreeing for Russian military support (with anti-coup packages)... I'd add India/Vietnam here as they're traditional partners.
Well, leaving “turning against the West” aside, CIS countries do help Russia evade sanctions.
Edited by Smeagol17 on Apr 6th 2024 at 3:45:45 PM
Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, April 5, 2024
- Ukraine attacked facilities in Russia with drones.
- Transnistria's military was attacked by unattributed drone.
- Russia is hacking railway companies in EU.
- Russia made gains.
Has there been any progress with US aid for Ukraine. Last time I heard it's still bogged down by House Republicans
i sniff ground crayons and cheeto dust
https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-china-5g-satellite-cooperation-war-ukraine/32843873.html
Research by RUSI greatly suggests that Russia is working with China on getting 5G up and running to help them get an advantage over Ukraine. This involves Huawei.
Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, April 6, 2024
- Russia is threatening Armenia over their outreach to The West.
- Russia is complaining about Finland.
- Kadyrov is recruiting former Wagner soldiers.
- Russia made gains.
- Russia passed two laws giving economic concessions to soldiers and their wives.
France to send old armoured vehicles, new missiles to Ukraine
Summary:
1. Old VAB armored personnel carriers
(had to use a non-Wikipedia link due to how the Wikipedia link doesn't stick to the acronym) and Aster-30 surface-to-air-missles
by France to be given to Ukraine.
2. Remotely operated ammuniton also to be delivered to Ukraine this summer.