Ukraine protests: Thousands march through capital
- over 100,000 by some counts
Ukrainian protesters besiege government building
Clashes amid huge Ukraine protest against U-turn on EU
Over 300,000 defy protest ban in Ukraine- "Fierce clashes erupt after protesters take to streets again, chanting "revolution" as anger against government grows."
What started as a protest against the decision not to sign an agreement with the EU seems to have escalated into a "Color Revolution" or "Arab Spring" style movement to force the government to resign. By some reports, the police are using violent tactics to suppress the street protests.
The Western half of the Ukraine has historically felt closer to Europe , and wants to move Ukrainian society in that direction. Eastern Ukraine feels culturally closer to Russia, and favors closer relations with that country. The current regime of President Viktor Yanukovich is part of that camp. The current confrontations can be seen as a clash between these two halves of Ukrainian society.
EDIT (2/24/2022)
This thread was originally opened in 2013 during the beginning of the revolt in Ukraine that eventually over-threw the dictatorship of the Yanukovyich regime and instituted democratic elections soon afterward. As of this writing, in the aftermath of the Russian invasion that began on 2/23, it is not clear whether or for how long Ukraine will continue to exist as an independent country.
Statements made nine years ago still seem relevant: "The Western half of the Ukraine has historically felt closer to Europe , and wants to move Ukrainian society in that direction. Eastern Ukraine feels culturally closer to Russia, and favors closer relations with that country... The current confrontations can be seen as a clash between these two halves of Ukrainian society." Some people have expressed the view that the confrontation between Russia and Ukraine, beginning in 2014, never really ended.
The invasion is also a result of certain grievances proclaimed by Vladimir Putin, the current President of Russia, and used by him as justification for armed attack and occupation. Western governments, and others around the world, have joined together in condemnation of this attack.
While we do not know what the ultimate outcome of these events will be, this thread will continue to be made available as a place to record news, ask questions and express opinions about the "Crisis in Ukraine."
This map will help track the latest developments.
Do not post anything about the Ukrainian military movement and strategy. This could actually result in casualties.
No discussion regarding nuclear war. As nuclear weapons are not being used by either side, nuclear war is off-topic.
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Edited by Tabs on Mar 20th 2022 at 4:26:26 AM
Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, March 20, 2024
- Ukraine attacked a Russian airport.
- Attempts at destabilizing Moldova continue.
- Russia is expanding and reforming it's military.
- Russia made limited gains.
Edited by Risa123 on Mar 21st 2024 at 8:15:59 PM
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A video of FAB-500 bombs being dropped on FRL/SB/RVC positions in Kozinka.
Also showed drone strikes on Russian army positions.
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https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1770791268043419838
The RVC reported that ex-Wagner contractors are joining their ranks.
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Dnipro Dam got hit.
https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1771028922622173352
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It seems Wagner are truly the new Chechens of propaganda.
Looks like there is a large barrage of missiles coming in from Russia, with attacks reported from Dnipro, Kharkiv and elsewhere ([1]). At the same time, US has urged Ukraine to halt strikes on Russian oil refineries: Washington told Kyiv that drone attacks risk driving up crude prices and provoking retaliation and Russia says it is pushing Ukrainian forces back, will create two new armies
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https://new.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/1bkb35j/peoples_deputy_of_ukraine_ihor_huz_gave_a_speech/
Speech given at the Rada to pay tribute to Kastuś Kalinoŭski Regiment (Belarusian volunteer soldiers) who fought against Russian troops.
KKR also announced that they're making their own mortars.
https://twitter.com/belwarriors/status/1768661419656933814
Oh, bother.
Didn't Russia deny hitting a dam last year? Guess they stopped caring about appearances after Ukraine hit the only thing they care about — their oil.
Disgusted, but not surprised
I feel a bit inclined to criticize US decision to tell Ukrainians to halt attacks on refineries. How else Ukrainians are suppose to slow down or even stop Russian advances if they can’t attack the infrastructure that keeps Russian war machine and economy going? Especially considering other news you mentioned with Russians claiming they are making progress and plan to bring even more forces? Putin showed time and time again that he does not care how many of his countrymen and random people die as long as he gets his way, nor does he care he will plunge his country into economic hole and turn his country into a client state dependant on China’s continuous support. The only way to stop him is to take away his tools to wage war with. And, without fuel provided by these refineries, he won’t be able to wage war as he wants to.
Edited by ArcticDog18 on Mar 22nd 2024 at 8:48:02 PM
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Oh, bother.
And tbh, the fear of greater retaliation? It's a bit late for that since Russia's already invading Ukraine and bombing their civilians anyway.
At least they also admitted that they're worried about rising oil prices. It's a rather self-centered reason, but at least they're not hiding it's a reason.
Edited by M84 on Mar 23rd 2024 at 3:57:20 AM
Disgusted, but not surprised
How exactly destroying facilities that consume crude oil can drive the prices for crude oil up is beyond me.
Because stock markets tend to behave irrationally.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Have we considered getting rid of them?
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Oh, bother.
In all seriousness, there's probably no putting the mushroom cloud back in the uranium shell.
Stocks are a scam — the guy who started NASDAQ, Bernie Madoff, said as much. And he would know a thing or two about scams for obvious reasons. But they're a scam that's too entrenched in the global economy.
Edited by M84 on Mar 22nd 2024 at 5:55:56 PM
Disgusted, but not surprised
Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, March 21, 2024
- Russia is forming reserves.
- Russia fired missiles on Kyiv.
- NATO military committee charmed that Ukraine's military innovations changed war.
- Commander of Russian Northern fleet was replaced.
- Bloomberg claims that Russia is diverting forces from front to Belgorod. ISW cannot verify that.
- Two banks in Kazakhstan banned Russia payment system Mir.
- Russia made limited gains.
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FRL statements made in Ukraine suggests the raid in Belgorod was for attacks on Kyiv.
FRL also mentioned that they're making the Russian Army divert their forces from doing an attack on Kupyansk.
Edited by Ominae on Mar 22nd 2024 at 3:09:08 AM
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Eh, Israel case does not seemingly support that.
Russia decided to drop the "special military operation" pretence [1].
Not really.
A procrastination in of itself
The Ukrainian government has asserted that this claim is false[1], I’m not aware of any public US government statement on the story and have seen claims online that the FT article doesn’t actually quote any sources within the government, jsut assertions from people outside the US government.
Edited by Silasw on Mar 22nd 2024 at 1:05:51 PM
"And the Bunny nails it!" ~ Gabrael "If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we." ~ Cyran
Yes, not de jure war, but they are willing to call it de facto war. Which is a difference from insisting on calling it "special military operation". Also, when you say something elaborate. Do not just "not really" with no details. It is insulting.
Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, March 22, 2024
- Russia will likely continue their offensive operations thought spring.
- Russia will likely expand their crypto mobilization efforts.
- Russia made limited gains.
- Reportedly Russia began to issue electronic summons for spring conscription cycle.
Edited by Risa123 on Mar 23rd 2024 at 11:34:49 AM
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Preston Stewart breaks down and debunk pro-Moscow/Beijing arguments that aid to Ukraine's a money laundering enterprise.
Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, March 23, 2024
- Russia is delaying delivery of S-400 air defence system to India. They need them themselves, and relations with India have soured.
- Russia made limited gains.
- Putin signed a law that exempt people from criminal persecution for "medium gravity" crimes if they are mobilized or sign up for service.
Romanian Battlegroup Getica has joined in the incursion in West Russia.
Hearing rumors that the Georgian Legion may have units there.
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