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"mass murder hate crime, not an act of terrorism"
What's the difference?
Is the Pulse attack called terrorist nowadays, or is it just accepted as A Man Scorned going Carrie on the mean boys and tacking on religious affiliations at the very last minute, embarrassing absolutely every party involved once the truth came out, no pun intended?
edited 3rd Oct '17 2:26:43 PM by TheHandle
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It depends on your definition of terrorism, generally it requires a political motive. So a mass murdering hate crime wouldn't be terrorism if it didn't involve any political motivation. Of course it doesn't help that terrorism is a rather nebulous term.
I've seen several news outlets call the Charlottesville attacks terrorism, "white terrorism" even. Maybe not universally so but there were some.
Yeah, see violence motivated by religious or political ideology is "terrorism", but racist motivated violence is clearly something else.
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X4 I'm not sure of the exact differences but in the end he wasn't charged with any terrorism offences, which seems wrong to me.
Back to something that may actually be related to terrorism, the attacker in Marseille was a 30 years old Tunisian who'd been staying in France illegaly since 2005 under several false identities. He was arrested some time before the attack in Lyon for robbery and drug-related offenses but was let go. The victims were two 20 years old cousins, one of them a scout guide. He stabbed one and cut the throat of another after yelling Allahu ackbar.
Daesh claimed responsability, but the police (who just arrested five people he was in contact with) hasn't found any definite proof that they were involved. And they won't, because if you were to yell Allahu ackbar after parking on the sidewalk Daesh would probably claim responsability all the same.
The French are going to vote on whether to get rid of SOE legislation or just to modify it in a way that searches can easily be done without necessarily going to ask a judge's consent.
Considering the Assembly belongs to Macron, he'll probably get his "we no longer call it State of Emergency but we keep/worsen the emergency measures" bill through easily.
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Reports from the BBC confirm the death of Sally Ann-Jones, ex-musician turned jihadi wife.
Her death via drone attack won't mean anything unlike her husband, who's trained in hacking.
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Daesh in Yemen's training regimen featured in their latest press release
has the world wondering.
Free Stanford University course on nuclear terrorism. Actually free, although they probably will bill me for postage on the Statement of Accomplishment if I join.
Oh, bother.
I'm not missing anything right? That really is DAESH recruits being kicked in the junk by their instructor? And that's supposed to attract more recruits?
edited 12th Oct '17 7:56:44 AM by M84
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Well, they were doing something similar with punching and kicking those kids a few years back. Conditioning the body to handle pain and receive strikes. Also works as propaganda, as demonstrated here and a way to boost morale.
I sincerely doubt their competence as instructors though.
edited 12th Oct '17 8:25:50 AM by TerminusEst
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You see Samir! Gain resistance to boolits by building up resistance to nuttcracks
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At least they're not shooting them up with heroin and telling them bullets will bounce off...yet.
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If we see some of them running butt naked towards battle, then we will know.
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From the New York Times: ISIS Fighters, Having Pledged to Fight or Die, Surrender en Masse
Their shoes were taken from them, their pockets emptied and their belts discarded, and, as they stood facing the wall, the backs of their dishdashas were stained with the evidence that some of them had not been to a toilet in days.
One of the men smelled so bad that when he was taken into the small interrogation room, those inside were startled. He filled the doorway, appearing even larger than his actual size. The interrogator unbuckled his hip holster, resting his right hand on his pistol. Everyone in the room seemed scared of the man, even though his hands were tied behind his back. His thick black hair was Medusa-wild and shoulder-length, though his handsome face had only a wisp of black stubble on the chin.
“Hello,” a visitor said. “Where’s your beard?” The Islamic State requires all men to grow full beards.
“I’m only 21, I can’t grow it yet,” he said, clearly embarrassed.
Kurdish interrogators allowed a dozen of the surrendered fighters to be interviewed by a reporter as they arrived at the local headquarters of the Asayish, the Kurdish intelligence service, in the town of Dibis, near the Kurds’ front lines opposite Hawija. Officers monitored all interviews.
Many of the fighters claimed to have been just cooks or clerks. So many said they had been members of the Islamic State for only a month or two that interrogators suspected they had been coached to say that. Gone was the contempt for the world’s opinion, spewed out in one violent video after another — many of them made in Hawija, where grisly killings, especially of Kurdish prisoners, were the norm during their three-year reign over that Sunni Arab city in northern Iraq.
Most of the prisoners, though, claimed to have never seen a beheading, or even heard of such a thing.
To identify the militants, Kurdish intelligence officers pored over videos from Hawija, such as ones showing pesh merga prisoners in orange jump suits in individual cages on the backs of pickup trucks, being paraded through town to be stoned, then set afire or beheaded in public. Crowds of thousands participated.
One by one the Islamic State prisoners were taken out of the waiting room line to be interviewed, each telling pretty much the same story. “I pledged to ISIS in January 2015 and left in March,” said Raad Abdullah Ahmad, 31. “My family disowned me after that. Imagine having no family. I left because I didn’t like what they did to people.”
Another, Hussein Jamal, 21, said he had pledged allegiance to the Islamic State in 2014 but had remained only 45 days.
“Ask him why he didn’t come out sooner then,” one of the interrogators suggested.
“I was afraid,” Mr. Jamal said.
“Ask them why they fled this way,” another of the interrogators suggested.
Both men said that they were certain that the Hashed al-Shaabi militias would kill them, but that the Kurds would not.
“Why not?”
“They are more civilized than we are,” Mr. Ahmad said. “They know who is good and who is bad.”
Mr. Mohemin had shrunk back into his red chair after an hour of talking and looked much smaller than before. When asked if he thought he would see his wife again, or his new child, he said, “I don’t know,” and looked at the floor.
The lieutenant did not take his eyes off him for a second. “They’re just planning to go underground and make sleeper cells,” he said.
Mr. Mohemin shook his head. “This is the end of this state,” he said. He had wet his trousers, adding to the smell, but did not ask to use a toilet. “I believe if the governors are telling us to surrender, it really means that this is the end.” He swore to God that he was telling the truth.
Sounds oddly familiar.
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By the end of World War II in Europe, the German high command was ordering its troops to fight westwards and surrender to the British and Americans instead of the Soviets, who imprisoned captured prisoners in labor camps for decades without hope of release.
Well, High Command mostly gave orders to fight to the death. Field commanders and the troops had different ideas.
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All of that, and the various Wehrmacht veterans insisting that they were ambulance drivers or stretcher bearers. If not the "honorable" ones.
French intelligence texts jihadist by mistake, inadvertently warning of surveillance operation
The target of the probe, described as an “Islamist preacher” based in the Paris area, immediately understood that his phone was being tapped and his movements monitored.
He called the agent to complain and warned his contacts that they were under surveillance. As a result, separate investigations by two different intelligence services came to nothing, M6 television reported.
“It was undoubtedly the worst mistake the agent ever made,” M6 commented. Interior ministry sources confirmed the report.
The intelligence officer had meant to send the text to a colleague last Saturday. It contained information about the Islamist and the progress of the investigation.
It was only when the Islamist decided to have some fun at the officer’s expense and phoned him minutes after he sent the text that he realised what he had done.
The two agencies involved, the Central Territorial Intelligence Service and the General Directorate for Internal Security, were furious over the mishap.
The incident came as France remains under a state of emergency declared after the 2015 Paris terrorist attacks.
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I don't get it. Is it a jihadist or a preacher? Like, does the guy have prior field combat experience or is he just a mouth-flapper?
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Even if he's "just" a radical preacher, he could still convey a lot of toxic values and convince many members of their congregation that Islam is worth suiciding for or something like that.
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Well, yeah, but he sounds more like a concern for Social Services or the regular police than the Secret Services. Hell, even a functioning Civil Society would take an interest.
edited 14th Oct '17 10:29:49 AM by TheHandle
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The secret services monitor, it's forwarded to the regular police and then the civil society gets involved. Assuming he was just a preacher and not a recruiter or some other more significant threat. It's also the DGSI, the domestic intelligence agency. It's their job.
edited 14th Oct '17 10:39:46 AM by TerminusEst
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To use more American examples, the Charlottesville attack was not dealt with the way terrorist attacked normally are, despite it being a politically motivated terrorist attack, the Charleston attack is not universally referred to as a terrorist attack and the perpetrator was only charged with committing a mass murder hate crime, not an act of terrorism.
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