Major spoiler tropes and works pages

From Handling Spoilers:

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It says IF it would help guess what the spoiler is about.

It doesn't say it's outright banned.

The rule specifically says Pot Holes are forbidden. Aside from the accidental noticing of the URL, after highlighting the spoiler, it isn't always easy to determine underlines.

So you are correct that it allows wicks and links inside of spoiler tags.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.

So my sandbox would work after all.

I do not know if that's part of the reason to avoid any and all potholes in spoilers. Besides the fact people can accidentally click it. Also, any outbound links will be visible in spoilers no matter what. Let me show you what I mean.

http://www.supersmashbros.com/

See that tiny little box? It always shows up.

edited 25th Nov '13 8:25:56 AM by Irene

@crazysamaritan: We're seem to be interpreting that rule differently.

I see that rule only disallowing the Pot Hole only if said Pot Hole would itself spoil the trope (ie, if it's obvious from said Pot Hole what it's spoiling), while you see it as banning any and all Pot Holes.

The problem of hovering over the Pot Hole's only problematic if, as I said, the Pot Hole would spoil the trope.

edited 25th Nov '13 8:48:30 AM by KarjamP

Note that it doesn't say "don't put spoiler tags over links," but rather, "don't put link under spoiler tags". Subtle difference.

Maybe you're supposed to write the description URL-free even if the description contains other tropes? That would be kind of odd, to be honest.

I don't follow.

The former implies "Don't hide the link, show it." The latter implies "Don't link under hidden text, plaintext it."

The part where I said you were correct? That was me agreeing with this post.

The rest of my post? Me adding extra interpretation that isn't there. Which was exclusive to Pot Hole wicks, as opposed to Wiki Words.

edited 25th Nov '13 10:57:50 AM by crazysamaritan

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.

The wording of it was too confusing for me.

As I said,

That applies to "plain texting" it as well (to me, at least).

I'm not reading you carefully enough!!

I suggest against Pot Holes in spoiler tags for the reason I gave.

The rule forbids Pot Holes that give information away by the URL.

I suggest against Wiki Words in spoiler tags that give information away by the URL.

I suggest against outside links in spoiler tags that give information away by the URL.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.

Why wouldn't plain-texting work? The policy says that the reason for it is because if you hover over the pothole, it displays the information, making the spoiler tags less effective. If a trope is written in plain text, it wouldn't have that problem.

I'm not saying it doesn't, but saying that Pot Holes are only against the rules if said pot holes give away the spoiler if they were to be highlighted.

Um, let's just say that we could use plain texting if the Pot Hole would be undesirable under the Spoiler Policy for the above reason.

(I think what I'm saying could be confusing you guys to the point of frustration. Sorry about that.)

I agree with almost all of your suggestions but the first one you mentioned, as I'm confused on what you mean by your reasons.

(Again, sorry if I'm causing frustrations.)

edited 25th Nov '13 11:50:36 AM by KarjamP

I see no reason why a non-spoilery Pot Hole couldn't be allowed inside tags. But that's just me.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"

If they don't spoil anything, there's no problem whatsoever. At worst you might miss it due to the spoiler tags, but that's hardly the end of the world.

Writing a trope without linking it is just like any other text within spoiler tags.

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Agreed. That's why I'd suggest against doing it, but wouldn't change it if I saw it.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.

I have a question regarding spoilers, given that I've spent far too much time fixing the ones on the various character pages for The Walking Dead since the mid-season finale this last Sunday.

IIRC Fast Eddie has voiced a dislike of notes left hidden in commented out lines, but is there inherently anything wrong with leaving a commented out note along the lines of "see Administrivia/HandlingSpoilers before editing" on the page? There's a lot of stuff like spoilering trope titles, and some all-white entries, from editors whose names I don't remember seeing previously, and apparently my leaving edit reasons pointing out Handling Spoilers isn't doing the job in getting editors to follow the guidelines.

edited 4th Dec '13 7:54:51 AM by Nohbody

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I don't remember anything against commented out notes. Just make sure it's not rude, and that it's somewhere easy to see (when you open the page for editing, that is). I mean, we've been putting ZCE warnings at the top of pretty much every character page, so I don't see how this is different. Personally, I haven't had too much difficulty with people reverting the changes like no spoilers above the example line, but maybe I've just been lucky on that front.

^ The problem I'm seeing most isn't so much reverting fixes as it is breaking things in the first place.

And yes, I'm aware of the ZCE note, but I asked mostly for a sanity check.

All your safe space are belong to Trump

Okay, breaking things in the first place, I'll give you. Been doing a wick cleanup recently, which has let me see a whole lot of old character pages that are just poorly formatted every which way and another.

Just to double-check, how does this sound as a note about spoilers?

edited 4th Dec '13 3:58:22 PM by Nohbody

All your safe space are belong to Trump

I'd add a little bit more.

edited 4th Dec '13 4:14:18 PM by Discar

I actually didn't want to put more on there because 1) Handling Spoilers already covers everything, 2) the more that's put in the note the less reason people have to actually look at the HS page, and 3) at some point trying to cover the important stuff will probably lead to a stupidly long note that no one will read,^note or even not read more than normal, given how there are still Zero Context Examples being added in spite of the ZCE note thus negating the entire point of the note in the first place.

All your safe space are belong to Trump

But with the extra line, it's right there on the page. Just straight to the point, impossible to miss. I will admit I'm a tiny bit biased because I think the administrivia page needs a bit of help to be more clear, but I suppose it's your call.