The Undefeated
Except it is discontinuity. Both "it is strictly non-canon" and "it is canon" mean the same thing, but in different words. The EU is in the realm of the Holiday Special. Both can be used as a toolbox for Lucas Film at this point. Rebels could have a Life Day episode for all we know. The quote never said that "if it's not on screen, it's not set in stone", it said that "Episodes I-VI, TCW and what's to come" are only canon. He never included, say, the micro-series in there.
edited 12th Mar '14 3:25:54 AM by Stevron
Sony fan here.
Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
I think we're saying the same thing, but have a different concept of degree. Essentially, my thought is "why override the EU" unless the story you want to tell (for Rebels or the Sequel Trilogy) has a compelling interest to do so? Essentially, default to the EU on the minor details and overwrite only that which is needed to make your story work (which for the Sequel Trilogy is still probably going to overwrite a lot anyway).
The Undefeated
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Except the EU isn't being over-rided as it's non-canon. Why default to something that's non-canon?
edited 12th Mar '14 1:36:31 PM by Stevron
Sony fan here.
LA Times interview with Dave Filoni
edited 12th Mar '14 5:18:16 PM by DS9guy
Brightness
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Here is the article since I can't seem to fix the problem:
"Rebels" executive producer Dave Filoni finds the notion that "Star Wars" may be unrecognizable in its new iteration "fascinating." Yes, Lucas is essentially retired from telling "Star Wars" stories, but the bedrock of his teachings are still in practice today.
"The same team of people in lead roles making 'Clone Wars' is going to be responsible for making 'Rebels,'" Filoni recently explained in a phone interview. "Not many people seem to have grasped that. To me, there aren't as many differences as people thought as far as the people making these shows."
The final season of "Clone Wars," the animated series Filoni supervised under Lucas for the past six years, finally debuted on Netflix last Friday. It is the final look fans will have at the way "Star Wars" was before Lucas stepped away. And despite the carry-over in key people such as Filoni behind the scenes, the new "Rebels" series will be different from how people have come to view "Star Wars," especially since Lucas began releasing the prequel trilogy in 1999.
Set in the time period following the prequel film "Episode III: Revenge of the Sith" and before the original "Star Wars," known now as "Episode IV: A New Hope," the new series follows a newly created group of heroes doing its best to combat the all-powerful Empire aboard its ship, Ghost. The series will chronicle the formation of the so-called Rebel Alliance that eventually included Luke Skywalker and Han Solo among its members. It will premiere this fall on the Disney Channel before airing regularly on Disney XD.
The new series is expected return to the fast-paced storytelling and punchy dialogue fans loved about the original trilogy of films. Gone will be the intergalactic politics and trade embargoes that many fans complained about in the prequel films.
"In 'Rebels,' you'll be in scenarios where you hear things have taken place that are furthering the story, but you won't be watching those politics unfold," Filoni said. "It's on a more human level."
Also, don't expect to see the kind of lightning-quick lightsaber battles that defined "Clone Wars" and the prequel films. The mystical powers of the Force will be taking a back seat in the new series.
"I think that we all agree what we liked about the Force in the original films was it was a less-is-more scenario," Filoni says.
Further, Filoni says the new series goes back to some of illustrator Ralph Mc Quarrie's concept paintings for the original "Star Wars" film for a lot of its look, something he had originally planned to do with "Clone Wars," but never quite achieved. With the change in leadership at Lucasfilm, however, not everything will be a throwback to the '70s. The influence of the new leadership under Lucasfilm President Kathleen Kennedy will also be apparent.
"I know that Kathy is a very big fan of [Japanese animator Hayao] Miyazaki, so I told [art director] Kilian Plunkett to look at his designs and what makes them so iconic and memorable," Filoni said. That, combined with Mc Quarrie's original "Star Wars" designs, is the look of the new "Rebels."
"The biggest thing is you want older fans to watch and say, 'Wow that looks like "Star Wars,"' and I want the younger fans who have never experienced it before to experience it the way I experienced 'A New Hope,'" Filoni said.
And no one working on "Star Wars" today is better qualified to provide that original "Star Wars" effervescence than Filoni, who estimates he's overseen something like 46 hours of "Star Wars," working closely alongside Lucas himself for most of the eight years he's been at Lucasfilm.
"I'm definitely the spokesman from the 'Star Wars' legacy side of things," Filoni says of working alongside such newcomers to the universe as fellow executive producers Simon Kinberg and Greg Weisman.
But while the people making it may change, the "Star Wars" fandom stays the same, even as it grows more excited to see the new era dawn.
"Without even one episode of 'Rebels' airing, people [online] have already figured out how they're going to kill off characters," Filoni said. "Morbid but exciting, I think."
Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
Namely because a lot of EU concepts are ingrained in the fan consciousness. Why go out of your way to mess with something that's just going to cause confusion? Better to just upgrade it to canon unless it contrasts with the story that you want to tell (obviously the showrunners should have primacy, i'm just saying they should tread lightly when they can).
Anybody got an idea what they are going to do with the 50+(supposedly) finished scripts for the never realized Underground series?
The Undefeated
What fans are you talking about? Do you speak for all of them? Let's not forget that the Lucas Film has never batted an eyelash when it comes to contradicting the EU multiple times, no matter how ingrained it was in whatever fan's consciousness. Additionally, they aren't messing with anything because there's nothing to mess with; the EU is non-canon. They probably don't want any creative restraints either.
Sony fan here.
I can't believe they decided to retcon the EU as non-canon. So what, that means Luke never met Mara, while Leia still has Han?
Yes.
"War without fire is like sausages without mustard." - Jean Juvénal des Ursins
Mad Scientist Wannabe
More like Mara Jade does not exist.
Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
But Lucasfilm's also adopted heavily from the EU either when it suited them or when it didn't clash with the story Lucas wanted to tell.
Deliberately pissing in the EU's eye, for instance, would have been having the galactic capital be somewhere other than Coruscant, just because "Coruscant never existed." Neither did Kashyyyk, for that matter. Or the whole concept of Mandalorians and what their deal is (all that's shown on film is a guy named Boba Fett. He could've been Corellian or anything else. Not in the film, so he's not confirmed Mandalorian. Hell, how do we even know that he's human?) Sure, the prequels have established all these things, but did Lucas just sit down and conceive of them all in a vacuum?
I certainly hope they don't take that attitude. It's just silly.
Take Luke and Mara Jade, for instance. If the sequel series is a lot about Luke's children, and so the mother's identity becomes important and the desired backstory calls for a woman with different motives or history than Mara, by all means replace her. If it doesn't, why not just take up their relationship as is? If Luke is only a peripheral player in the sequel movies (as i predict), then why not just put Mara and Ben there, just as they are?
Mad Scientist Wannabe
The prequels never once say the word "Mandolorian" either. All it confirms is that Boba Fett is a human. Cloned human, anyways.
Of course, don't you know anything about ALCHEMY?!- Twin clones of Ivan the Great
Deciding you don't feel like using the EU isn't pissing in it's eye. Depicting the Mandalorians as freedom loving pacifists who have abandoned their war-like ways save for a small group of crazed fanatics is pissing in the EU's eye.
Or Karen Traviss' eye which I have no problem with.
"War without fire is like sausages without mustard." - Jean Juvénal des Ursins
The Undefeated
Lucas Film used the EU as a toolbox. The EU is non-canon, but when it's used in the canonverse, it is thus canonized. Coruscant existed, but it had no name till Lucas decided to borrow from Zahn. The Wookiee homeworld was never used until the prequels. Again, Lucas himself said that the EU is an alternate universe. The story group isn't going to suffer from creative restraint. Don't forget, George is also involved in the movie. It was his final decision to go along with J.J.'s script. He decided that. Considering that Disney said the Episode VII is a completely original story and that Kasdan wants to start fresh, the story will probably use very little elements from the EU. Luke's wife is a pretty big detail, so it's doubtful that the people working on the story will just relegate the character to some EU character shoe-in to appease us EU fans.
edited 14th Mar '14 5:04:10 PM by Stevron
Sony fan here.
Here's the official trailer.
edited 4th May '14 8:48:35 AM by verymelon
Spidophile
Everybody who's worrying about the EU being declared non-canon, just remember that one's "personal canon" is a wonderful thing. For example the Nelvaana Droids Cartoon, to me, will always be canon. As will Thrawn, Jaxxon, and The Force Unleashed
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Agreed!
I may not agree with everything that it in the current canon, but I have my own (of the pick-and-mix variety) and /that/ I am happy with.
In other news, is anybody else concerned by the Season 4 Trailer Proper?
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1) No, most/everyone is pleased by the season 4 trailers
2) Why did you necro a thread that hadn't been touched in three years? The active TCW/Rebels thread can be found here.
Mostly it's because the EU did a lot of stuff that just feels right by now, and i see no reason to kill it simply because you want to incorporate other elements in your story. I'm not saying "the EU will dictate what stories can and can't be told", which i think we're all in agreement on, but i do think that some "facts" and a whole lot of history should continue to provide background, color, and basis for stories into the future.
The unreleased episode of TCW that changed the name of the Sith Homeworld irritates me to no end...