What irks me is the idea of Gero and his androids getting stomped (when 19 & 20 were light years above Saiyan Saga levels, at least), and The Stations of the Canon still playing out >.>
edited 5th Feb '15 8:53:07 PM by DoctorDiabolical
Yeah, there's no way that A) 17 and 18 would be ready, or even probably born, and B)that they would have any difficulty killing Goku.
My various fanfics.I thought that the point was subverting the Stations of the Canon.
There are two things that will happen regardless, because they're outside of the characters' sphere of influence.
Raditz will still show up and so will Babidi. No matter what you do, you can't really change those events with a nail that happens on Earth.
himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimariI was talking about Goku still dying (even with multiple fighters able to challenge the androids as backup), and somebody still telling Raditz that he can be resurrected. And wasn't Babidi attracted to Earth due to high power levels that only emerged during the Cell saga?
edited 7th Feb '15 5:58:30 AM by DoctorDiabolical
Nobody said anything about Goku dying. Nor did anybody say anything about Raditz still being told somebody was revived.
And... IIRC, Majin Buu's egg is still on Earth. Babidi will eventually have to come down there.
If he was attracted by the strong powerlevels he felt during the Cell Saga, then he wouldn't have fielded Pui and Yakon against fighters that could stomp all over Dabura.
himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimariThere was an offhand mention of Raditz dying alongside Goku, "just like in canon," and Vegeta finding out about the dragonballs, but they seemed to be a less thought out part of the idea.
I guess I misunderstood. I thought he meant Goku dying against the Androids.
And there are other ways to learn of the Dragon Balls, too. The characters wouldn't necessarily keep quiet about it. It's not like they know their fight with Raditz is being monitored.
edited 7th Feb '15 3:56:46 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough
himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimariWriting as Gohan is a LOT more difficult than I expected. It's not just that he's socially awkward, but he's had a completely different upbringing, and probably reacts to things differently to normal people. I also really don't want him to be a Marty Stu. He's already overpowered in terms of canon, so I don't want his personality to be perfect, too
The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!So a dood in the manga thread brought up a funny scenario. So I'll elaborate on it.
-years pass-
Cell: "I'm back!"
Gohan: "... Shit. Should've continued training."
Cell: "Oh hey Goku's back for a day."
Goku: "And this is to go... Even further beyond..."
Cell: "Fuuuu-"
-years pass-
Cell: "I killed your father and will now train you to defeat your grandfather."
Pan: "... You're a poopyhead."
-Year Passes-
Cell: "Oh shit, DRAGONS!"
Pan: "I am literally too stupid to dodge an attack that I can see coming from a mile away!"
Cell: "I am literally too stupid to just knock her out of the way and dodge the attack myself!"
Syn Shenron: "What An Idiot!"
Cell: "... Why the hell would I die from that? I can regenerate from a single cell!"
Syn Shenron: "Well that's the cheapest Heroic Sacrifice ever."
Cell: "Now get pissed and waste his ass!"
Pan: "... Uh, no."
Cell: "... Just fucking revive me when this is over."
Goku: "Oh, hey. I should probably have rescued you long ago, but, eh, fuck it. Don't care."
Gohan: "Pan! I should have probably rescued you long ago, but, eh, I did the same thing when I was five and I turned out just fine, didn't I?"
Videl: "You are all horrible people who should die for the good of the universe."
Beerus: "Well, I can arrange that..."
-Years Pass-
Cell: "I am now Hell's policeman. I get to beat up people with absolutely no consequences. Life is kinda cool sometimes."
Piccolo: "Tell me about it."
edited 11th Feb '15 11:30:47 AM by IAmNotCreativeEnough
himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimariSo much of that went over my head, not having seen anything beyond the original manga and a few of the movies.
But, damn, it's still funny anyway.
It's mostly GT jokes.
himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimariAre there any post-Z action/adventure genre fics that give Fat Buu anything to do? Or acknowledge him as a potential ally at all? I'd be interested in a fic that actually treats him as the powerful gamebreaker he often was as an enemy.
The joke is that he isn't anymore, not really. Kid Buu took the grand majority of the power with him when they separated. By this point, the only thing that makes Fat Buu not insta-die against Kid Buu is less his powers and more the whole 'made of bubblegum' bit.
Anything that legitimately threatens Goku and Vegeta at that point outclasses Fat Buu too.
edited 17th Feb '15 3:44:04 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough
himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimariAnd I doubt Buu would do anything unless Mr. Satan was threatened.
I feel like the problem with anything post-Buu is most things can be solved by "Why don't they just use Gogeta?" And if it can't be solved by that, things must be getting ridiculous power-wise.
The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!This is true. Gogeta is so strong that he'd likely not need to go beyond Super Saiyan (since it'd just waste his fusion time anyway).
Fortunately, while he's the poor man's Vegito, he's still powerful enough that needing to go higher than Super Saiyan is likely quite rare (since Vegito didn't really need to do so either, and only did so to fuck with Super Buu).
One Strip! One Strip!But Gogeta is only movie/GT canon, and shouldn't Fat Buu still be around Perfect Cell level? He did tag Kid Buu a few times and traded blows with him, same as SS 2 Vegeta. That plus the regen should make him a hell of an ally, coming in a close second to the Saiyans as a group, in terms of power.
I doubt Buu would only interfere if Mr. Satan was threatened, so long as the Z-fighters made a threat known to him. He seemed to consider Goku, at least, a friend during the final tournament in Z.
Although I take it from the responses that there really is nothing in the way of fan material where he's a presence in combat. Shame...
edited 17th Feb '15 5:01:34 PM by DoctorDiabolical
Goku alone is stronger than Fat Buu. If Goku can't solve it, then Fat Buu wouldn't be that big a help unless the enemy can be outlasted. And if that's the case, Vegeta can do it too, since he's DBZ's punching bag.
Anything that can't regenerate will most likely die to an Instant Kamehameha.
edited 17th Feb '15 5:34:49 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough
himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimariUnless it's a case like Vegeta's arrival on Earth, where Gohan, Krillin and Yajirobe helped, despite having less than 5% of Kaioken Goku's battle power. Or multiple enemies.
Vegeta's an opponent that can be killed with a thousand papercuts, or outlasted.
Enemies without regeneration won't last very long in the DBZ-verse.
himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimariThe difference is, Vegeta's fight came when the characters COULDN'T blow up planets (well, not really). And it seems to always be the case that Fusion is better than just fighting separately and using teamwork.
But you COULD do the 'each character fights a different member of the villain team' thing. I'm thinking of doing that for my fanfic.
edited 17th Feb '15 5:46:37 PM by LOLypop1224
The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!Power scaling is irrelevant.
You can kill Vegeta by scratching him until he bleeds out and dies. You can't do the same to Cell or Majin Buu.
himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimariWell, let's say the guy isn't like Cell or Majin Buu, he's just really fucking tough.
Then a well placed Kienzan or Makankosappo instantly ends any threat such an enemy could represent. Gotta make him fast, too.
himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
While it wouldn't make that much difference immediately, it would make a huge difference in the long run.
By the time Gohan hits 17 and Babidi rolls around, it'd be entirely believable for Gohan to be able to solo Majin Buu.
himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari