Dragonball Fanfiction

Only for mass revivals.

Also, I keep forgetting that Goku was 12 at the start of the series, and looked exactly the same at 15.

Like. The world tournament is every 3 years, and Goku went to three of them.

Saiyan growth spurts are weird as fuck.

Mass revival only extends to one year before the time of the wish. Single revivals have no such time limit. We also don't know if the limit of mass revival applies to Porunga.

Not exactly the same. Goku was a bit taller during the 22nd Budoukai than he was at the 21st. He went from being around Krillin's height to noticeably taller than him.

edited 29th Jan '16 3:21:00 PM by Zelenal

...I'm normally against unnecessary references, but Goku sparring Ryu was cute.

Okay, I was wondering because I thought there'd been a Race Against the Clock to rezz someone's dad early in the original Dragon Ball.

Duly noted that the one-year time limit was only for mass-rezzing, though.

For the record, the immediate timeframe I'm working in is during the timeskip between DB and DBZ, so there's no Porunga access yet - just Kami's Shenron.

edited 29th Jan '16 3:38:49 PM by EvaUnit01

Well, the original wish was just to revive Upa's dad but our RRA did a bit more than just kill him so we changed the wish.

@unnoun: Yeah, don't worry. It's not like there's gonna be a bunch of Street Fighter characters at the 23rd Budoukai and I'm not gonna have Goku fight Shadaloo or anything. It's just a cameo.

Yeah, tournament arcs are a great place for random-ass one-off cameos.

You're bound to get a bunch of pissed off fanboys raging about their favorite character losing a fight though. Even if the result is horribly obvious to anyone who knows jack about both series.

edited 29th Jan '16 4:15:45 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

We might but we don't care about that. Their impotent rage would just inflate the story's review count and thus make it more likely to attract the attention of more readers.

That's true.

Plus their raging tends to be hilarious.

Hmmm. Maybe we should have Goku fight Bison.

Nevermind.

edited 29th Jan '16 10:33:56 PM by Zelenal

So I've started reading "Guardian" after I was horribly disappointed by "Fall of Lord Frieza". Like, couldn't even get through Cooler showing up on Earth. It was just an abomination on a mechanical level.

"Guardian"... is pretty good so far.

Personally, I like Human Limitations. Raditz crashes in a city instead of on a farm and promptly runs into (and just about kills) Yamcha, who only survives due to a lucky tail grab. However, his severe injuries leave him unable to protect himself from being abducted by Dr. Gero. Without Yamcha grabbing his tail, Raditz wakes up, just in time for Piccolo to arrive. A misunderstanding results in Goku thinking Piccolo killed Yamcha, and that Raditz is a good guy. Goku and Raditz kick the crap out of Piccolo, who is then imprisoned by Kami, and Goku agrees to join the saiyans in their quest to defeat the evil tyrant Freeza and promptly blasts off into space with Raditz. And things only get more out of control from there.

Huh. That sounds inneresting.

Toriyama says Ox King and Yamcha are the best cooks in the Dragon Ball universe.

What happens if Beerus or Whis find that out?

Also. I notice Goku sometimes has trouble recognizing his friends early in the manga when they change their appearance, so he might have face-blindness?

Which. Makes sense, because that can happen after brain damage?

Goku and disability.

edited 3rd Feb '16 2:16:12 PM by unnoun

"Tales of the Monkey Queen" Chapter 28 on AO3. In which we learn more about everyone's favorite triclops.

I can genuinely say that I have been wanting to write this chapter almost since the project began.

So you know, I'm almost curious to see someone re-write the series where Goku's pod either missed Earth, or never left before Frieza destroyed it.

If Goku never arrives on Earth, at a distance, this means Raditz has no reason to visit the planet, so the Saiyan arc never happens, which means Frieza will never have any reason to go near it at all.

With no Goku, Bulma would meet and be accompanied by Old-Gohan, who provides a completely different dynamic and potential for character interaction.

The Nimbus never gets used (unless Gohan is pure of heart), we see a reunion of Roshi and his two students during the Fire Mountain arc.

Yamcha is surprised that he's fighting THE Gohan. Maybe he backs off out of respect, but Gohan sees something in him and offers to train him, instead of Yamcha following in order to steal the balls later.

The Red Ribbon arc might turn out completely differently. For one things. maybe Commander Black survives, and really does try and rebuild the group, which means they continue to be a long term threat. Perhaps he informs a certain Doctor who specializes in Robotics of what he learned of their past leader, and convinces him to start making more Android weapons, thus fast tracking the project. They might not be as powerful as canon due to not having someone like Goku to set the bar so high (so Gero doesn't push himself to make them as strong as they were in the main series, even if he still creates the infinite energy generators).

With no Goku, the first arc is different, but might still have Oolong stopping the wish with his own (so comfort in a pair of underwear still reigns—yes, I know he asked for panties). In fact, with no Goku, Pilaf might never reach the point of releasing Piccolo to shift things in his favour either.

It'd be hard to figure everything out, but there's actually a lot of potential when you think about it.

edited 6th Feb '16 3:13:03 PM by HandsomeRob

That is, in fact, a thing. Turbulence and Guardian discuss it on some level.

Actually, remember that without Goku there's no Oozaru, so they'd be stuck in that room Pilaf trapped the gang in.

That is, if it ever got that far. Remember, Gohan is significantly stronger than Goku was at that point, considering he managed to survive Oozaru Goku once, and I'd imagine that not having to care for an infant would mean he'd probably keep up better with his training.

Anyway, point is - the story would be so different as to be unrecognizable, but I still want to see what happens when 18 years old Kakarot drops by intending to purge the planet so Freeza can sell it...

...@Tales of the Monkey Queen: You guys have a thing for reusing bits of other works, I've noticed.

Which. I mean, yes, it's a fanfic, so duh.

But I mean. Like, I like it when you guys are more original. Because you're actually pretty good!

But when you just lift sequences and exchanges from Hellsing Abridged or The Lion King 2 or whatever. It feels jarring.

I liked Tien's backstory stuff though. I think you got his character pretty well.

Honestly, I actually didn't notice the Lion King 2 bit until after a reviewer pointed it out.

I guess that happens sometimes. I like it when you guys are original like with Android 9 and Suno.

I like the small references that aren't straight up lifting scenes and bits of dialogue from other things. Like. I adored Goku fighting Ryu. It fits. Toriyama does like his parodies and does reference things. It's why Suppaman/Sourman and the Great Saiyaman exist. He's also known to engage in a fair amount of self-parody.

Like, hell, it's why Dragon Ball exists too. Because he wanted to make fun of Journey to the West. He made Bulma because Xuanzang is normally played by a woman in stage adaptations. He made Krillin because Xuanzang.was a monk. Dragon Ball has two Xuanzangs.

But when Toriyama does his parodies and references, it's never when he's being serious or dramatic, which is what I think I would criticize Tales of the Monkey Queen for? Like. Doing Hellsing Abridged quotes doesn't fit with Tao killing General Blue, because the point of that scene was to establish Tao as a threat. Doing a scene from a Lion King sequel doesn't fit with Tien getting ready for his revenge.

My main criticism isn't the references themselves, it's the extent of them and their locations/pacing.

Also, side-note. Your fic and the ways your interpretation of Goku differs from mine is the extent of Goku's ignorance.

Goku has at least heard of girls. So I presume that in this verse Gohan would have told her that she was one. And maybe that boys should be nice to her? Or she should be nice to them. Gohan's morals and gender ethics that he would have taught to Goku would have been pretty straightforward.

When Goku and Bulma are talking in the manga, and Bulma says her "monster" is a car (my version's translation anyway) Goku says "A car, huh? I've heard about these." So Goku's never seen a car but he knows that they exist. And then he says it's "Great, but weak". Which is interesting to me. Either he's calling it "great" in the sense of "big" or he thinks it's cool aesthetically, even if it's impractical because of how easily he can damage it.

And immediately after he says "Does this mean you come from the city?" Which means Goku both has heard of the concept of cities, knows that they have cars there, and is able to make the logical connection.

All of which is in your fic, but.

What's more interesting to me is Roshi. In the manga version it doesn't seem like Roshi knows Goku at first. But later in the Saiyan Saga he's heard about Goku bumping his head.

So. Here's a question: How would Roshi and Gohan have been in contact with each other? Goku doesn't recognize Roshi, and I don't think they had a telephone, so did Gohan leave Goku at Mt. Paozu for an indeterminate amount of time to visit Kame House?

You had Roshi knowing Goku in the fic, which is fine. That's convenient. Makes sense.

It's still. Interesting. To me. Seeing the way the manga evolved and changed and got retconned.

And. Skipping ahead a bit, but.

The way Goku regards sexuality as an adult is most clear with Elder Kai? He knows enough to manipulate him with it. And he doesn't think twice about offering Videl and Bulma, but also notably doesn't offer Chichi. He says to Vegeta it's because Bulma's prettier than Chichi, but. I mean, to me it's ambiguous whether he's sincere or honest about that? It could be because he's jealous and doesn't want Elder Kai touching his wife, but isn't selfless enough to care about Vegeta's and Gohan's feelings on the subject, or, much more importantly, Bulma and Videl's.

Or he could know just how pissed off Chichi would be over it, and be able to anticipate that reaction and decide that it's just not worth the pain.

But, even if he's telling the truth about Bulma being prettier, it says interesting things about Goku being able to evaluate aesthetics and attractiveness of women at that stage in his life.

And no matter how you look at it it's definitely a dick move on Goku's part.

At first. Part of me thought that a female Goku would offer herself to be kissed or groped, because of the way Goku doesn't tend to care about societal conventions, but the more I realized that. No. No, Goku might not fit societal conventions completely, but. Whoever Goku marries, if she would marry at all, she probably wouldn't want to be touched intimately by some gross old Kai. It'd be uncomfortable, personal and weird. Heck, even in the Tenkaichi Budokai when Goku meets Chichi and agrees to marry her and she starts clinging to his arm, he looks. Like, he doesn't hate it, but he's confused. A little uncomfortable?

Even if Goku knows what sex is, even if Goku likes it with a certain person she's grown comfortable with, whoever that person is. No, she wouldn't let Elder Kai touch her.

And Goku is selfish enough that I still think she'd still offer her son's girlfriend or her best friend/best friend's wife who is also her best friend. Even knowing how uncomfortable she herself would be at the prospect. Goku's kinda both selfless and selfish sometimes.

Like, that's the other thing I notice in the early manga. Goku helps Turtle just because he needs help. I know Toriyama gets mad at the idea of Goku as an all-loving perfectly heroic hero but. There is an extent to which Goku is, in fact, generally nice and compassionate.

So this has been me talking about things we've discussed after you both agreed that you interpret Goku differently from me and are ignoring what I have to say.

edited 9th Feb '16 11:30:51 AM by unnoun

That's certainly interesting but the only thing I have to say is that Goku never states that Bulma's prettier than Chichi or even insinuates as much. Goku just says that Chichi is flat chested which is true.

As for Gohan and Roshi keeping in contact, I guess they could always just send letters. Of course, it's still curious how Goku's never heard of Roshi. Kinda which I had thought about that before.

Yes, we will. We've actually given a considerable amount of thought into how we want to structure the Saiyan's reproductive system (well, on the female side, at least). While we don't have anything decided quite yet and it probably won't ever be directly address in the story because there's no reason to, it is something that will happen.

You also don't have to worry about research because I research basically everything I write about and have researched this particular topic several times because I've always had the tendency to write female characters. While I'm certainly far from knowing everything, I'm pretty sure I know enough for our purposes.

edited 9th Feb '16 11:35:41 AM by Zelenal