Disney/Pixar In General

Every time I look at the cast of the Country Bears movie, I die inside. Such good casting wasted... ene

and all of the other ethnic places were not completely (or much) westernized

Really? I think Hercules' version of Greece was much more westernized than Agrabah was.

Crap. I forgot about Hercules. Whenever it comes to minority/non-westernized films in the canon, I always forget other Hercules for some reason.....But yeah, Hercules is definitely worse than Aladdin in that sense.

Turning Thebes into Not York City is far more westernized than anything in Aladdin.

Honestly, in this case I totally understand why some Greeks felt insulted. Nobody likes it when someone tramples right over your cultural heritage.

I find this quite amusing.

Scar's singing is sorta lacking, though. And why do they think he's the evilest of all villains?

He killed Mufasa. Jerk.

Out of all the villains, save Hades, who lost scary points for being too comical, he was the only one who was willing to kill his own blood and flesh kin.

By the way, I'd have switched the actresses playing Maleficent and Queen Grimhilde in that video around.

edited 29th Oct '14 6:30:16 PM by NapoleonDeCheese

It's probably a perspective thing: the extent to which he crushed and traumatized Simba is not only felt keenly by the audience, it's the narrative lynchpin of the entire movie. So even though he not as terrible as, say, Shan Yu, people see Scar as more overtly evil because of how strongly his villainy was portrayed. The audience is right there as Simba suffers thanks to Scar, while Mulan's experience with Shan Yu is a lot more hands off and outside-looking-in.

Likewise, Hans gets a lot of "pure evil!" reaction because of how he personally betrayed Anna and Elsa, who the audience was latching onto, even though by Disney Villains standards his crimes (while horrible) are arguably even less horrible than Scar's were.

edited 29th Oct '14 8:07:19 PM by KnownUnknown

Is people actually arguing anywhere Hans is more evil than Scar? For all his faults, Hans proved he actually could be a good leader, even if only out of Pragmatic Villainy, while Scar was pretty much an incompetent tyrant, and while it could be simply a case of Hans' family being too much for him to tackle, they all seem to be alive and fine despite arguably having much more reasons to be targeted than the noble Mufasa and Simba.

edited 29th Oct '14 6:47:08 PM by NapoleonDeCheese

Guess that's something about the scale of a crime versus the effect of one. We spent so much time with Mufasa and none with all the people Shan Yu massacred.

They probably just wanted to rhyme with "star", though.

Who knows what Hans' reign would have looked like in a decade, while we saw what the Pride Lands looked like after years of Scar's rule. That might not prove anything about Hans, though, perhaps.

EDIT: Wait a minute, Queen Grimhilde was also trying to kill her own family...

edited 29th Oct '14 6:53:11 PM by Tuckerscreator

Snow White was her stepdaughter, though.

And to be fair, Scar probably would have killed as many or more as Shan Yu had he been in his position and with all the power Yu had. He seemed more petty in his crimes, for starters, while Yu was mostly a campaign man.

edited 29th Oct '14 7:36:43 PM by NapoleonDeCheese

You know why Shan Yu isn't considered that evil? Because one death is a tragedy, and one million is a statistic.

He also seems to be considerate enough to his own forces (unless I'm forgetting something), who really respect him for what he is. Most Complete Monsters, OTOH, are cruel and dangerous to friend and foe alike, and Scar would mistreat even those who worked for him.

So, it seems that the person I linked to before has read this thread (Last line in the intro post.)

edited 30th Oct '14 4:43:11 PM by smasher

Well, you deserved that. Every word of that. Because you came in here bitching about it and made us all look like sexist manchildren who can't handle a woman talking smack about our childhood.

Partially, it's a matter of emphasis. In Frozen, the film-makers spend a lot of time firmly cementing Hans' villainy by making him act very kind to the likable major characters, and than coldly stabbing them in the back (to the point of him being inpragmatic in his actions, but that's another discussion). A similar technique is used with Scar as well. He kills a kid's father before your eyes for crying out loud.

As far for Shaun Yu, he massacres many more people, but you don't really see it happen in a way that makes the viewers react very negatively. The film makers don't spend as much time emphasizing that part of his character (or his character at all really). What you do see is that he's fairly competent, and that he treats his men with respect.

Essentially, part of why it influences people is because of what the film makers choose to focus on.

edited 30th Oct '14 5:12:56 PM by Clannadisawesome

Welp, I'm glad I sat that discussion out.

Honestly who cares what some person that says sausage fest 24/7 has to say or even thinks about us anyway?

I know I don't care, her review were incredibly tedious.

edited 30th Oct '14 10:46:48 PM by AfroWarrior27

Since she can't be bothered to actually post here to defend her arguments somewhere where she isn't the voice deciding what's posted and what's not, I say, why to care anyway? It's very easy taking passive agressive potshots from a distance.

It occurs to me that this might be treading dangerously close to importing drama.

Should I delete my post?

Well, it was more a comment about the whole situation (what with smasher bringing us her responses and all), but your post does kind of read as a "come over here and say that" kind of thing. So...maybe? Up to you, I guess. I just don't want there to be trouble for anybody.

edited 30th Oct '14 7:15:05 PM by CorrTerek

Its were. And I love how you all dismiss her criticisms as "Tedious whining" And that you dont consider that ITS YOU who come here to talk behind her back?

If everyone who posted a comment on another person's site or blog had to post there as well, no one would ever get the time to really post that much in the Internet. She, however, takes it further by not only aknowledging the fact we were posting about here, but generalizing the attitude 'against her' by acting like the whole site was taking that side when there were several vocal supporters of her stance as well. She chooses a 'counterattack' from there, which is in her full right, I guess; but like I said, if she chooses doing so it's really something we shouldn't actually care about.

That 'you all' is a gross and unfair generalization, since several were taking the stand 'You're overreacting to her criticism'.

edited 30th Oct '14 7:21:19 PM by NapoleonDeCheese