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kyun Since: Dec, 2010
#11101: Jun 27th 2018 at 12:38:53 PM

The concept of Pixar's Inside Out isn't exactly original yet they of course execute it the best I seen of that idea in a long time. That never stops more and more artists from suing them, like two new lawsuits filed in regards to this movie both this month, and both accusing them of stealing the artists' ideas!

Edited by kyun on Jun 27th 2018 at 12:38:41 PM

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#11105: Jun 27th 2018 at 5:15:10 PM

Personally I am not too fond of Inside Out's manipulative ways of trying to etch out emotions (heh) from the audience.

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#11106: Jun 27th 2018 at 10:04:49 PM

Former Pixar artist Cassandra Smolcic wrote here about her experiences in the studio with misogyny and sexual harassment. I'm going to put a warning here for the type of content described there. Click this for warning. 

She also describes a number of way's that Pixar's lack of regard for women affected the making of their films. For instance, Brenda Chapman's firing from Brave is described as occurring because she was taking suggestions from female artists where they would normally be spoken over, and this was viewed as encouraging rebellion against their male bosses. One more is that Inside Out, a film with a mostly female cast, had little input from female artists because the male Production Designer pushed most women away and others were kept from being near him for their own safety.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Jun 27th 2018 at 10:06:10 AM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#11107: Jun 27th 2018 at 10:22:08 PM

Which shows I guess that a movie made to rebel against a system doesn't necessarily end up being a good movie (certainly explains a lot about Brave) and that you should never trust in features...Inside out made a special which made a big deal of the involvement of females in the creation of the movie.

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#11108: Jun 27th 2018 at 11:00:26 PM

Which shows I guess that a movie made to rebel against a system doesn't necessarily end up being a good movie (certainly explains a lot about Brave)

It was the opposite problem with Brave. What's described here is that it did rebel a lot against the system, but so much that Pixar's established leadership started to balk, and thus fired Chapman and dulled the film to become much more traditional.

Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#11109: Jun 28th 2018 at 2:18:19 AM

[up][up]What, a story about how Brave was ruined by Pixar's own entrenched sexism and that's the conclusion you come up with?

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#11110: Jun 28th 2018 at 6:21:37 AM

On the topic of Disney/Pixar, I honestly thought that they rather get off lightly compare to the other stories. Sure, the thing at Pixar and Lasseter is horrible, but given how often Disney employee work and interact with children I surprise that there isn't any pedophilia story come out yet.

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#11112: Jun 28th 2018 at 7:56:29 AM

[up] Holy shit, this comment…

“These projects, which reach millions of children and adults worldwide, have consistently failed to give women equal voice on screen and behind the scenes….Disney and Pixar must recognize that women and underrepresented minorities are just as capable, talented, complex, and dimensional as the white fraternity of men who have monopolized animation thus far. Female narratives are worthy of world-class storytellers, and women deserve to be treated as respected equals in any creative community.” This tells you all you need to know about this writer and this issue. It’s strictly a political polemic in the gender wars. I do not accept a single word of this opinion piece on face value as truth. While I do not doubt that boy-girl stuff was pervasive, I strongly doubt that gender had much to do with anything related to performance. However, it is clear that the miserable metoo freight train is not just barreling down on rapists and predators. It’s a vehicle for satisfying all professional disappointments and grievances. The whining and mewling is almost unbearable. The workplace is not a bed of rose petals for anyone. Expect no coddling and make a success of yourself, Cassandra……(aptly named). Plenty have.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#11113: Jun 28th 2018 at 8:18:55 AM

Sorry, I just happen to like the female characters in Inside out way better than the ones in Brave...it is odd to think that Brave was the one which had a lot of female input at least initially, while Inside Out hadn't.

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#11114: Jun 28th 2018 at 10:24:29 AM

Well, I hate both Brave AND Inside Out. Also Ookamikun you are awesome.

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#11116: Jun 28th 2018 at 11:38:40 AM

I really dont want to elaborate because Im always left with a headache when I try to do so. Lets just say I agree with Ookamikun and leave it at that.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#11117: Jun 28th 2018 at 12:48:23 PM

The more emotional approach is exactly what I like about Inside out. It's a little bit like classic Disney which also tended to work on this level, especially in movies like Snow White or Dumbo. I kind of missed that.

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#11118: Jun 28th 2018 at 4:25:36 PM

To be honest, I do have a more complex reason as to why I utterly hate it. But again, headache to explain.

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#11119: Jun 28th 2018 at 7:23:08 PM

I mean, I think the only reasons someone wouldn't like Inside Out are because of either the emotional moments being more contrived than the usual Pixar fare (which I don't think is true) or the concept is kinda difficult to wrap your head around once you start thinking about it.

That being said, I like it more than Brave because while it looks absolutely gorgeous (then again, so does literally every other Pixar movie) and Scotland's a unique location, it does a lot of things other Disney movies did but worse, such as the rebellious princess (about half of the Disney princess movies), the comic relief trio (Hunchback of Notre Dame among others), an important character turning into a bear (Brother Bear), stuff like that.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#11120: Jun 29th 2018 at 12:36:56 AM

Honestly the main reasons why I dislike Brave is because I fin Merida utterly unlikable (I could have somehow accepted her stupid enough to poison her own mother, but NOT her not feeling bad about it and apologizing the moment she is winding in pain) and because I think that the movie is an insult to Scotts.

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#11121: Jun 29th 2018 at 12:58:07 AM

I read the article about the female employee at Pixar, its really frustrating. I think the thing that bothers me the most is that fact that management was covering this up for so long.

I think the fact that they've had so few female protags is one of the most obvious signs of this misogyny.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#11122: Jun 29th 2018 at 1:26:29 AM

Yeah, it certainly is...I mean, I wasn't exactly surprised about the news that Pixar was a boys club, that was always obvious based on the movies they made. I just didn't expect them systematically harassing the female staff. I naively thought this was more of a case of most of the head animators still being males.

Psi001 Since: Oct, 2010
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#11125: Jun 29th 2018 at 9:29:28 AM

Sad to hear, even if the studio was often charged with their more infamous Direct to Video works.


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