No Nintendo E3 conference

I dunno. I'm not sure if Nintendo is learning from this to be honest. The Wii U fell into the same pitfall the 3DS had, but unlike the 3DS, they can't do a price cut in order to get people to buy it.

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I will admit that there have been missteps in basically every system launch Nintendo has done since the early '90s except for the golden duumvirate of the DS and Wii (and even then, the original DS had some issues that were quickly fixed with the DS Lite). But a) shouting "DOOM" again when it's never been doom before, b) trying to pretend that E3 is relevant to the average gamer, instead of a media event like it always has been, and c) the idea that EA's conference is going to be worth seeing is just hilarious, and also a little sad.

edited 24th Apr '13 11:13:06 PM by BadWolf21

What was last time E3 was relevant anyway?

um...

ALL CREATURE WILL DIE AND ALL THE THINGS WILL BE BROKEN. THAT'S THE LAW OF SAMURAI.

2010. Not terribly long ago, but both conferences since then have been wild disappointments in comparison. The only new hardware at the show was the 3DS, which meant that everyone was talking about games, games, games.

Which is what an event like this should be. New hardware is important. But if you really want gamers to care about what you're saying, you'd better have a ton of game footage.

edited 24th Apr '13 11:19:31 PM by BadWolf21

Huh, and it was relevant for many years in row before 2010?

"Editorializing"?(cough) The last time a console manufacturer decided to skip an E3 keynote was Sega. Just so you know.

Nintendo lost 36.4 billion yen so far, thanks to the Wii U. Not a good sign the Wii is outselling the Wii U at this point.

I'm not a console fanboy. The Wii U has been an absolute disaster for Nintendo.

One of Nintendo's many problems.

Jonah Falcon

Not really. It was a really small deal for a couple years, then came back in a big way in 2008 or so. 2008-2010 was something of a golden age, but it's gotten too big lately, and it's just not possible to measure up to the hype that people expect out of it as a result.

> Linking to Gamespot to talk about Nintendo

:/ Yeah, dude, I'm not even listening anymore.

edited 24th Apr '13 11:23:35 PM by BadWolf21

No. Nintendo aimed at a conservative 5M units for the Wii U and it failed to make it.

Been dealing with the industry for 20 years professionally. I know what I'm talking about.

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edited 24th Apr '13 11:26:10 PM by JAF1970

Jonah Falcon

I reserve judgement until release of PS 4 and Xbox whatever If they for some odd reason bomb harder then Wii U wins by default whether it gains momentum or not.

Somehow, I doubt that. For one, you'll never see a third-party 360 or PS 3 game only selling 50K or less units in its lifetime.

There's a reason third party manufacturers are either abandoning the Wii U or delaying it so the other, successful consoles get version releases at the same time.

edited 24th Apr '13 11:27:58 PM by JAF1970

Jonah Falcon

In both the case of the 3DS and Wii U, Nintendo seems to have oversold each device's innovative gimmick (glasses-free 3D, the tablet controller). The 3Ds can get by on being mostly an updated DS but developers are apparently looking at the Wii U and finding it way too alien. And the desert of Wii U titles that aren't either shovelware or ports from other systems is appalling. And a few high-profile releases have either been canceled or gone from exclusive to multi-platform. I'm not sure that even the Dreamcast had it that bad.

That said, Nintendo has survived a failed console before (the Virtual Boy). I wonder if they would have a better chance if they abandoned the touchscreen and just repackaged the console as the Wii HD or something.

edited 24th Apr '13 11:35:15 PM by Elle

At the same time, I can't help but feel that the Third-Parties who are jumping ship to the other consoles just because of more processing power are not going to get any better. Again, rising development costs. In that case, I actually feel that Nintendo may have a better grasp on things then the others do. Plus, they still have the 3DS going strong.

Also, Gamespot has a habit of bashing Nintendo and spelling doom for them.

The Dreamcast failed because of a number of bone-headed decisions that Sega had done the previous generation.

edited 24th Apr '13 11:34:58 PM by LDragon2

Rather have a 3DS than a Vita, though. For one, the 3DS is cheaper. Also, there are more games. Granted, there's a lot more shovelware, but still more games that are handheld games. I've never gone for trying to recreate console games on a handheld. If I wanted to play Uncharted, I'd play it on a PS 3, not a Vita.

Didn't watch the video, huh?

edited 24th Apr '13 11:34:53 PM by JAF1970

Jonah Falcon

Anything from Tom Mc Shea on Nintendo is just him criticizing their decisions every time they do a Direct. He did this same thing with January's Direct, stating that it failed to excite games, when it very clearly did.

... I don't remember anyone being excited.

Jonah Falcon

You must not have been looking enough. I recall that the forums and the like were jumping for joy over the announcements of the new X game, the Shin Megami Tensei and Fire Emblem crossover, the Wind Waker remake, and the new 3D Mario game.

As for PS 3 and 360 games not selling less than 50K in their lifetime, it depends on the cost of development. With games rising in terms of those costs, anything under a couple million is a failure. Again, I feel that the 3rd Parties aren't getting the memo that you can't spend so much and want 5 million sold. Which is why I feel that the Wii U has the right idea.

edited 24th Apr '13 11:44:01 PM by LDragon2

Lots were you weren't

I think you're in the wrong about this. The Wii U is going to pick up steam once the Library increases. I for one have a fairly bad feeling about the Ps4 its not likely to that much better then the current systems and if it is its going to cost a really high amount.

edited 24th Apr '13 11:44:36 PM by Saya1

You look happy, I can change that if you want.

Same here. More processing power doesn't equal better games. If the industry continues its mentality of spending so much on Triple-A games, it will pretty much implode on itself.

It needs to survive long enough for game releases to pick up in the first place, and it needs more than first party titles.

The PS 4 is on par with a current mid-range gaming PC for specs, and they're taking steps to make it easier to develop for. I don't think it's going to inflate dev costs very much more than they already are. By comparison, it probably costs extra to develop stuff for the Wii U tablet controller.

edited 24th Apr '13 11:48:37 PM by Elle

It is getting there with titles like Watch Dogs coming for it.

The 3DS didn't rebound on its price cut alone. It rebounded on the combination of the previous OoT 3D release that got sufficient attention, then the price cut, then Mario 3D Land and Mario Kart 7, then a string of announced games that everyone looked forward to.

The Wii U might rebound under those circumstances, but considering it's a Seventh Generation in power released during the Eighth Generation, and since power is a bigger issue on consoles than on handhelds, it's got a lot more roadblocks than the 3DS.

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Not for nothing, but I've heard tons of outcries of "I NEED TO GET A WII U NOW" ever since Earth Bound was mentioned to be slated for a Wii U Virtual Console release. Clever marketing ploy? I think so. But it's one that I think will work for Nintendo.

But that's only like 15 US dollars.

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Also, despite sales figures not looking too good, Nintendo is still running at a profit, thanks to investments and currency developments, so the company is doing just fine.

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x4 You would be more convincing if you could list a lot more than one title. Watch Dogs is coming out on all the other consoles and probably won't be a system seller for the Wii U. Rayman Legends was delayed to make it multi-platform. Bayonetta 2 and The Wonderful 101 don't have firm release dates yet beyond "Summer". Pikmen 3 is due in August and will probably be a barometer title for the console's future.

edited 25th Apr '13 12:03:09 AM by Elle