Filum Romanum - A Thread for the Catholic Church

I presume you are talking about the USA? Desecrating the dead can't be a federal crime as it's not within federal jurisdiction.

And as for Texas law, he has an excellent case to make that it was done as a religious ritual (whether the Church would agree doesn't matter), which could be argued to fall under Texas' religious freedom laws.

(Is this stupid as hell? Yes, but it's Texas.)

Edited by Ramidel on Dec 28th 2022 at 11:54:46 AM

Such laws, as Septimus points out, are within state jurisdiction and vary depending on the state. In fact, treating this as a case of corpse desecration would probably suit Pavone just fine, as the questions that would raise play into the political arguments he was trying (however cackhandedly & grotesquely) to make.

Regardless of everything else the man's been laicized, and probably justly so. I hope he finds his way again.

Former Pope Benedict XVI died at the age of 95 on this day.

Source: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/pope-emeritus-benedict-xvi-dies-95-rcna63442

Edited by HallowHawk on Dec 31st 2022 at 2:56:20 AM

Cardinal Joseph Zen's allowed to leave HK to attend Pope Benedict XVI's arrest. He's been arrested by the HKPF's NS officers for violations of the NSL in supposedly helping out the protests in 2019.

Cardinal Pell, from Australia, lies in state while his funeral is overshadowed by the memo he wrote. Only twenty people showed up as of Reuters writings,

In case you are wondering who Cardinal Pell was, he was a conservative cardinal from Australia who is also the author of an anonymous memo last year -under the pseudonym Demos- that condemned Pope Francis' pontificate as a "catastrophe".

Reasons for that are not exactly surprising in hindsight, he accused Pope Francis of being silent on LGTB+ acceptance, communion for the divorce or women priests, giving them a tacit approval, saying that he was focused more on being "politically correct" than in supporting human rights violations in Venezuela, Hong Kong, mainland China and now Ukraine.

Before you feel a nugget of sympathy for him, do note that he also called out the "eccentric" nominations of new cardinals from places with few catholics like Mongolia and he wrote, and I quote:

In short, he was full blown reactionary who was butthurt that Pope Francis was making the Catholic Church get on with the times instead of digging in and be left behind by the world. Perhaps the cherry on top is the fact that Pope Francis gave his support to Pell when he was in jail for a year for sexual abuse allegations before being acquitted -Reuters is not clear on the details of that- so, aside from the memo being reactionary bullshit, it was also a form of backstabbing on the highest order.

Pell was not acquitted, his conviction was overturned and quashed.

And even despite the charges against him specifically there was more than ample evidence he was actively involved in covering up sex abuse scandals from other priests.

Honestly in Australia that memo about Pope Francis he wrote is small potatoes. He was practically the living embodiment of the Catholic Church's problem with abuse and cover-ups.

Pell's quashed conviction was because the case was Not Proven. But more should have been done to him administratively for his role in covering everyone else up.

Well, he's facing a new court now, and I'm sure St. Peter has his file.

I admit that I had not followed Pell's case -I actually just learned about him while reading that news-, but yeah that's completely fucked up, it's a shame more was not done.

Most of the cover-ups people attribute to Pell were more the work of his predecessor. In fact, Pell's single-handedly responsible for most of the measures now in place to guard against such abuses. And if Pell's known orthodoxy on well-established doctrinal matters is "reactionary," then three cheers for reaction.

A US based bishop accountability group is claiming an Argentine archbishop Francis appointed to the Holy See's watchdog office for doctrinal orthodoxy, which also handles sex abuse allegations, refused to believe victims of sexual assault by a priest in his archdiocese.

Pope slammed for telling Russians to hold on to ‘legacy’ of a ‘great empire’

Come on Patriarch of Rome, don't give into the hype.

Apparently he's not aware how that's mutually exclusive with embracing Russia's imperial legacy.

Strangely, but fitting in its own way, I think Pope Francis is trying to appeal to that nostalgia Third World countries have of their old empires to be better than what they are now.

This is what happens when you try to offer generic advice that doesn't apply to everyone.

I get the feeling that he's talking to people whose logical capabilities he doesn't admire.

I wonder if this has something to do with the Consecration of Russia?

Edited by alnair20aug93 on Aug 29th 2023 at 6:27:16 PM

Or, you know, Argentina being invited to join BRICS

And also, Russia's politics are way more in line with Vatican's (where it matters) than those of the godless West, so maybe it's time we stop being surprised every time.

I mean... They're Orthodox. Well, Russian Orthodox. The leadership chose to ignore the Patriarch of Constantinople, I dunno if anything the Pope says can exactly reach them. Also from what I've heard Russia has actually relatively low Church attendance?

Edited by alekos23 on Aug 29th 2023 at 9:01:40 PM

The head of Ukraine's Greek Catholic Church has already voiced his dismay about the Pope's (apparently extemporaneous) remarks. Today, the Holy See released a statement that seems to be partially walking those words back.

Random musing.

So I'm reading a book about a brief history of western philosophy (it's not translated in English), and it has sections for Catholic theologians like Augustine and Aquinas as well.

And goodness gracious, I didn't know Aquinas had such a wild early life! My favorite bit was him getting kidnapped by his family and locked in the tower of the family castle, so he couldn't join the Dominicans.

Apparently his family even put a prostitute in his room, only for him to drive her out by throwing around fire torches (?) at her.

And yes, I already knew fair bit about Augustine's early life, in which I find the heavy influence of his mother Monica very fascinating as well.

Edited by dRoy on Oct 14th 2023 at 12:59:30 AM

I understood from there that catholic persons also have patron saints.

How and when are said saints chosen?

Also, confirmation names are a thing "in certain regions". Which regions?

For single persons, the patron saint is the one the person shares a name with.

For towns, cities, nations etc. the patron saint is officially established by the Church, but usually the Church had just sanctioned a local cult that developed spontaneously, by tradition (i.e., the local patron saint is usually a saint that was traditionally venerated in that location).

The Church establishes also the patron saints of categories and professions, usually through an association with some details of that saint's life. Therefore Saint Luke, who is believed to have been a doctor, is the patron saint of doctors and physicians; the theologian Saint Thomas Aquinas is the patron saint of university professors; Saint Roch, who performed miracles during a plague epidemic, is the protector against the plague; and so on.

(And then there are some very funny connections: the patriarch Noah is the patron saint of drunken people; the martyr Saint Lawrence was killed by being burned on a grill, and allegedly he said to his tormentors: "I'm well done on this side, turn me over": therefore he is the patron saint of cooks and of comedians).

My parents aren't practicing Catholics (in fact I wasn't baptized) but I was named after a saint whose name appears close to my birth day in the calendar.

Sometimes it just happens like that, although many people are named after an uncle or aunt or grandad, etc, who are themselves named like a saint.

Edited by gropcbf on Nov 1st 2023 at 12:18:41 PM