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Since we've gotten told to stop talking generally about religion twice in the Homosexuality and Religion thread and were told that, if we want to talk generally about religion, we need to make a new thread, I have made a new thread.

Full disclosure: I am an agnostic atheist and anti-theist, but I'm very interested in theology and religion.

Mod Edit: All right, there are a couple of ground rules here:

  • This is not a thread for mindless bashing of religion or of atheism/agnosticism etc. All view points are welcome here. Let's have a civil debate.
  • Religion is a volatile subject. Please don't post here if you can't manage a civil discussion with viewpoints you disagree with. There will be no tolerance for people who can't keep the tone light hearted.
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edited 9th Feb '14 1:01:31 PM by Madrugada

TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#13926: Jun 29th 2016 at 2:24:49 AM

Armed with an MBA, a Buddhist monk sets out to transform the future of the temple

Setting aside time for solitude can be a healthy habit, and doing it in a spiritual atmosphere can be even healthier.

Many office workers in Tokyo’s Kamiyacho area, a business district between Roppongi and Toranomon, have benefited from the quiet space in Komyoji Temple that Buddhist monk Shoukei Matsumoto has made available for public use on weekdays.

As the director of a nonprofit organization called Otera no Mirai (Japan Fellowship of Buddhists), Matsumoto has initiated various projects in order to rebuild the lost temple community in Japan and attract more visitors to the religious site.

Waitresses don’t take orders at Kamiyacho Open Terrace, also known as the Temple Cafe, but the place gets packed during lunch time when people drop by with their lunch boxes, books or empty-handed just to relax or have a heart-to-heart talk with a monk.

On special occasions, events like concerts, yoga classes and workshops are held in the main prayer hall, where the principle images of the temple are enshrined.

“Nobody wants to sit through difficult lectures on religion. I believe it’s important to do something to appeal to all five senses, and it has to be something fun, like music,” Matsumoto explains.

Matsumoto, 36, is a rare breed of self-ordained monk who chose to renounce the world, so to speak, and enter into religion as a career despite having no family obligation to succeed in the temple priesthood.

He goes by his Buddhist name Shoukei rather than his legal name Keisuke, and what makes him unusual is the fact that he has an MBA, earned in India during a one-year break he took from his career.

When he graduated from the University of Tokyo in 2003, he says he didn’t consider any other career options, and even today he can’t imagine himself being an office worker in a suit and tie.

Matsumoto is married and living outside of the temple, but he says that is not uncommon these days as asceticism is not mandatory.

“Monastic seclusion is keeping a good distance from the common people and having a good influence on them. The two worlds are not completely separate. I understand there is darkness and suffering in the social order, and I want to be a hint giver.”

He travels regularly for seminars and sometimes forgets that he is a monk. He keeps busy generating new ideas, another being the Otera Oyatsu Club (Temple Snack Club), which is an effort to support single-parent households by donating food that has been offered to temples.

Most of Matsumoto’s lectures are directed toward monks, but he has also done study sessions for university students and entrepreneurs as he believes Buddhist teachings can be applied to business management.

Since 2012, Matsumoto has acted as the head of a cram school for temple management, and about 90 people, mostly chief priests and other monks who look after the operations of temples, graduate every year.

Putting his MBA education to work, he makes his own curriculum and advises students how to create an effective business plan and successfully manage a temple, while providing after-care support services.

Temples can help re-create a sense of togetherness, belonging and shared experience that individuals are longing for, and Matsumoto says temples have a lot to gain from a boost in the number of fans, most importantly survival.

“You don’t realize the true value of a temple until you connect with it for a long term. The longer you share your life with a temple, the more you start understanding its worth,” he says.

“Temples were built around families, blood relations and a sense of regional community. Today families and communities are collapsing, but people want to form bonds. I feel the need to create a new sense of community in an open, diverse society.”

In modern day Japan, the essence of Buddhist practice seems to have been misinterpreted by a lot of people. Many think Buddhism is about worshiping ancestors and tending graves. But Matsumoto says Buddhist teachings should really be about how to awaken the Buddha nature within oneself.

Matsumoto, who has a go-with-the-flow attitude, has nothing critical to say about the recent trends that include online grave visits, Internet memorial services and hakatomo (grave sharing).

“The world is changing, and there is no point in denying that fact. There’s a Buddhist concept that says all worldly things are transitory. A temple cannot stop time from passing, and it’s important that we accept what is and act accordingly,” he says.

It is only natural to wonder how monks handle stress, as they are humans after all. Meditation may ease anxiety, but not solve all of life’s problems.

“I’m human so there are times I do get negative feelings, but I don’t deny those feelings or dwell on them. I become mindfully aware of that situation and accept the negative self,” he says.

Until now, Matsumoto spent energy training monks and trying to help existing temples, but seeing more than 400 people graduate from his school, he feels that it’s time to move on to the next stage, where he hopes to see temples connect to communities and businesses.

Matsumoto is up to date with digital technologies and plans to take advantage of social networking sites to spread Buddhist wisdom.

“Temples will go bankrupt if they don’t use social media. We have more freedom to do what we want now, because the older generation realizes that things have to change and we have to reconsider the role of temples.”

Matsumoto thinks that the day will come when children will become interested in priesthood as a career — even more so than sports or medicine — as the rapid development of technology will soon become, if not already, a threat to human existence.

“AI robots will replace humans in the workplace,” he says, “and when that happens, I feel that the only untainted territory left for humans will be art and religion.”

Si Vis Pacem, Para Perkele
Elfive Since: May, 2009
#13927: Jun 29th 2016 at 4:09:51 AM

[up][up]No, no I get that bit (for certain definitions of "universe", anyway). What I don't see is why God would necessarily fall under it while ghosts wouldn't.

DeMarquis Since: Feb, 2010
#13928: Jun 29th 2016 at 12:03:31 PM

Ghosts, if the exist, are popularly supposed to be observable phenomenon.

Antiteilchen In the pursuit of great, we failed to do good. Since: Sep, 2013
In the pursuit of great, we failed to do good.
#13929: Jun 29th 2016 at 1:21:50 PM

Well, "popularly supposed to be observable phenomenon" would also apply to God though. I doubt most people share your understanding of "outside the universe".

So if God can exist outside the universe, so could ghosts.

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#13930: Jun 29th 2016 at 1:26:20 PM

The paranormal industry has a perverse self-interest in preserving the idea of ghosts in the public's mind so it can sell TV shows and exorcisms and whatnot. It's amazing how they evade all genuine scientific inquiry, only showing up when those "special cameras" get used. Uh huh.

Regardless, anything that has observable effects on the material universe can be measured and investigated. Those poor magisteria keep taking a beating.

edited 29th Jun '16 1:32:54 PM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
SpaceWolf from The Other Rainforest Since: Apr, 2012
#13931: Jun 29th 2016 at 2:43:22 PM

Those shows are so obviously fake.

"Oh, my god. There's a creepy sound."

Hm, I wonder if it could possibly be Jeff from sound editing.

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TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#13932: Jun 29th 2016 at 2:56:18 PM

This is what passes for sensible theological debate in the Imperium of Man:

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#13933: Jun 29th 2016 at 3:06:15 PM

[up]Further proof that the Omnissiah is one true God!

For what it's worth-Word of God is that in the TTSD universe, Omnissiah worship is still legal and widely unfazed by the revelation of the God Emperor's non-deityness.

"Any campaign world where an orc samurai can leap off a landcruiser to fight a herd of Bulbasaurs will always have my vote of confidence"
TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#13934: Jun 29th 2016 at 3:34:16 PM

Isn't he actually the Void Dragon, a C'Tan?

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#13935: Jun 29th 2016 at 3:59:01 PM

[up]Possibly, but nobody's 100% sure.

"Any campaign world where an orc samurai can leap off a landcruiser to fight a herd of Bulbasaurs will always have my vote of confidence"
DeMarquis Since: Feb, 2010
#13936: Jun 29th 2016 at 6:16:56 PM

Heh, I used to belong to a ghost hunting group.

Jhimmibhob Since: Dec, 2010
#13937: Jun 30th 2016 at 6:15:12 AM

Wait—do you mean a group of people who liked to hunt ghosts ... or a group of ghosts who liked to go hunting? (The compound-attributive hyphen is serious bidness, people.) Because if the latter, then I feel incredibly better about the universe for some reason I can't define.

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#13938: Jun 30th 2016 at 6:20:18 AM

I'm sure you could find those in Pact. Horrible little series.

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Elfive Since: May, 2009
#13939: Jun 30th 2016 at 6:23:12 AM

I think the Headless Hunt only accept members whose heads are entirely detached from their bodies.

AngelusNox The law in the night from somewhere around nothing Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
The law in the night
#13940: Jun 30th 2016 at 8:43:15 AM

You guys didn't run around with shotguns loaded with rock salt shells did you?

Inter arma enim silent leges
Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#13941: Jun 30th 2016 at 8:46:51 AM

Poor ghosts-always being hunted, when they clearly just want to be left alone!

edited 30th Jun '16 8:47:13 AM by Protagonist506

"Any campaign world where an orc samurai can leap off a landcruiser to fight a herd of Bulbasaurs will always have my vote of confidence"
nightwyrm_zero Since: Apr, 2010
#13942: Jun 30th 2016 at 8:52:26 AM

Anyone had proton packs? I'm severely disappointed if the answer is no.

edited 30th Jun '16 8:52:55 AM by nightwyrm_zero

DeMarquis Since: Feb, 2010
#13943: Jun 30th 2016 at 12:12:49 PM

No, group of mortals hunting ghosts. We had all the toys, laser thermometers, IR cameras, the works. It was fun.

NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#13944: Jun 30th 2016 at 12:19:46 PM

Out of curiousity, did you actually expect to find anything, or were you just in it to hang out and have fun with friends?

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
DeMarquis Since: Feb, 2010
#13945: Jun 30th 2016 at 3:23:58 PM

Both. I had an open mind. If anyone had recorded some objective evidence in favor of the existence of ghosts, I would have been thrilled. But in the year I was a member, no one did.

SpaceWolf from The Other Rainforest Since: Apr, 2012
#13946: Jun 30th 2016 at 9:08:53 PM

Jeff, from sound editing, needs his breaks.

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vicarious vicarious from NC, USA Since: Feb, 2013
vicarious
NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#13948: Jul 1st 2016 at 6:13:49 AM

Most gods are kind of dicks, depending on what part of their stories you look at.

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
Elfive Since: May, 2009
Corvidae It's a bird. from Somewhere Else Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
It's a bird.
#13950: Jul 1st 2016 at 6:46:12 AM

I might be a bit biased due to growing up here in Viking-land, but Odin seems pretty decent for a god, in at least most of the myths. He can definitely be a bit harsh and foul tempered, but afaik, he doesn't usually harm people without good reason.

[up] I see what you did there...

edited 1st Jul '16 6:47:24 AM by Corvidae

Still a great "screw depression" song even after seven years.

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