Warframe: F2P co-op Guyvering

as mark said it's hard to make warframe recommendations, not only 'cus pretty much everyone ends up building most/all of them but also 'cus in the end it really just boils down to personal preference, and while there definetly are frames that have "objectively superior performance" all frames can perform well enough in all situations outside of high-time/wave endless modes, and even with the "objectively better" frames, you'll most likelly not get the most out of a frame unless you like it.

if anything it'd be easier to recommend a warframe if you told us what you like in a warframe, or for that matter what you like in a player character (gameplay wise) as warframs have VERY varied powers.

edited 23rd Oct '15 9:59:59 AM by GanonDerf

I have two slots used on Quest Warframes and one for the Vauban, even those I don't use the Vauban that much anymore, it is a pain in the ass to farm for.

Let's see!

Ash - second best stealth frame and one of sickest nukers in game (thou Blade Storm is to be reworked at some point). He's not the best at either tho, so sort of expendable. Really hard to get.

Atlas - dunno, don't have him. Judging from ability descriptions, he's not too OP which means he's bottom tier. Unless you find him fun, expendable. Maybe, sort of hard to get? Dunno.

Banshee - as a mostly solo player without ambition to go past two rotations in T4, she's really fucking useless for me. Her first is good, second is more like decoration before enemy scaling kicks in with vengeance, sold her before third was reworked so dunno, fourth is good CC but roots you in place so you need help to get something out of it. Unless you intend to reach hour and beyond in endless game mode, really fucking expendable. Found in clan dojo (aka 100% droprate).

Chroma - pretty good. I don't use him much, but it's hard to describe him as expendable. Maybe bit stale gameplay with his best abilities being defensive buffs. Quest needed to collect him with final mission maaaaaybe hard for newer players. Also you'll need components of other frames to build Chromas components.

Ember - was really bad. Now is okay press42win frame. Until her damage falls off. Some CC and damage boosters as well. Dunno, haven't played her much post buff (or ever for that matter). She's not bad I guess, but leans towards expandable. Drops from Sargas Ruk, who will rape any newbie who steps foot in his room (total pushover for veterans tho).

Equinox - don't have, don't know. Only one ability is regarded as good (potentially OP even). Form changing is sort of unremarkable gimmick and wasted opportunity. Needs lots of straightforward farming of Tyl Regor.

Frost - I'm not even big fan, and it's hard to deny this guy is awesome. Not to mention easy to get - by time you get to Ceres, Letch Krill should be piece of cake. Unless you got taxied.

Hydroid - pfffffffffffhahahahaha, grab it, fuck it, drop it! Squeezed from Vay Hek, accessible after reaching mastery rank 5.

Limbo - not as bad as Hydroid, but still lousy choice. There is great synergy in his skills and general idea is nifty, but you'll have to work to master him only to get on par with other frames. Also, get him when you are comfortable leveling your stuff solo, because pubs loath Lombos. I personally get the fuck out of any lobby when Lombo shows up. You can get him... actually do everyone a favor and don't.

Loki - polar opposite of expendable: master race, 9001, walking rape, gamebreaker prime, OP fuck-o-ton. Only people who call Valkyr's total invulnerability balanced would dare calling Loki anything but totally overpowered. If your goal is getting expendable frames first, get everything but Loki first. Easy to farm from Hyena pack.

Mag - goddess of death and destruction... against whole one faction and okay against another one... after intensive investment. Otherwise meh. Super easy to get from Sergeant on Mars. If you didn't took her as starter, that is. Overall kind of expendableish.

Mesa - derp first and fourth (both pre and post change versions) abilities. Good second and third. Pretty hard to get. Not top tier so more like expendable.

Mirage - first ability got it's fun factor nerfed because it nerfed fun factor from other players' processors. Aside from derp second ability (I use it only by accident - nothing happens) her kit is very decent. Gathered in (possibly most boring) quest.

Nekros - when you start enjoying this guy, you don't play for enjoyment - you play Skinners box. Well, that is not entirely fair to say, but fun, engaging, army of the dead Nekros needs many expensive, and rare mods. Till then you'll have to do with farmer Mc Necry - lamest embodiment of gambling in this game there is. But since RNG hates you, so farmer Nekros is pretty useful. Not expendable just because this guy will single handedly pull you out of poverty.

Nova - if Loki ever gets nerfed, Nova takes the throne of most bamf gamebreaker there is. And that is despite her disjointed kit. Her first is worth casting only when your energy is maxed and there are tons of energy laying around... thou casting extra Molecular Prime may be better. Second, just like with Banshee's Sonar, is unnecessary before third rotation, since Molecular Prime works fine enough till then. Third is mobility tool when your inherent mobility is good enough and for free and you have Molecular Prime. Fourth is Molecular Prime - it can do everything Molecular Prime can do. Hope I don't have to explain how good that is. Oh, and Nova is easy to get from Raptor. Shouldn't be too hard. Especially if you use Molecular Prime.

Nyx - Nyx was one of the best frames. Then she was buffed to be competitive with Loki. Let that sink in! Scraped from Phorids mutated intestines: easiest boss in game. (Pro tip: he has target seeking, instant kill projectiles. He uses them only on far away targets so stick in about 30m radius!)

Oberon - you'll get his components eventually maybe even without knowing how. He's pretty good, but nothing exiting either. At least from what I hear. Best part about him is occasional "no pants day" bug. If it's fixed, Oberon most likely is expendable.

Saryn - right now she's best at loot caves. Sold her long time ago because she didn't offer anything exiting, fun or useful. Since I keep away from loot caves, still don't feel regrets. However her rework is not that far away so that may change (tho I doubt it). Also that shoulder armor comes with most atrocious clipping.

Valkyr - do you enjoy Warframe's melee system with it's clumsy combos, borderline unusable combo counter and melee mode which is redundant besides failure of a system called channeling (and because of which quick melee was nerfed to oblivion)? Do you think being invincible for practically free is fun and engaging? Do you prefer cat memes over only frame with actual very own story and personality behind it with almost limitless opportunities for psychological and philosophical discussion? If you do, Valkyr is for you. But if you ask me, she is very expendable. Great design thou. One of the best. Gersimi (or whatever it was pronounced) feels totally uninspired in comparison.

Vauban - or Booben, as many call him, is awesome. No, not talking about infested defense. It's useful for farming but lame as fuck. Use him against ranged factions: that is fun and skillful way to play him aka under powered and wrong.

Volt - best used for defensive offense and in capture missions, fun overall, but doesn't rape opposition like many other frames. Also lame ass ult. If you're looking for power frames to carry you through pretty tough and unfair early game (assuming you're still there) Volt may not be your man. Search in clan lab if interested.

Zephyr - cheap ass Turbulence - prevents 99% of ranged attacks hitting you. Allegedly has other abilities. No tests have yielded results. Above average frame if your main concern is defense (and not playing against infested). Search in clan lab if interested.

edited 23rd Oct '15 10:43:30 AM by Prany

And for an opposite viewpoint:

Ultimately, like everything in this game, unless you're planning on on going on long runs of endless missions pretty much anything can be viable. The reason why most players tend to collect the majority of the frames, aside from the fact that they all have different situational uses, is that it's simply better to play what you find fun. IF you like throwing around fireballs and having rockin' hips, then by all means, play Ember against Corpus. If you like being a fancy invincible magician assassin, then play Limbo.

I mean if optimized play is what you go for, then by all means! You do you. Just bear in mind that Prany doesn't actually like this game.

Dude, you got such a wrong impression. I love this game. It gives me endless opportunities to complain. Like, I never complain about anything else as much as Warframe.

But jokes aside, seriously - don't bring Limbo to pubs and spam Catalysm. It's usefulness is dubious and it prevents picking up loot which is super annoying.

edited 23rd Oct '15 2:41:56 PM by Prany

Oh, yeah, that's like, the absolute worst way to use Limbo. In fact unless I have it wrong and Rift Torrent gives your allies a boost in the rift as well, Cataclysm is actually his most situational and overall kinda least useful abilities. Like, it's great for defense, but a Frost will do the same job as it without the downsides.

Limbo is great because he's basically an invincible, high-priority assassin. The ideal way to play him is to live in rift, rift high-priority targets, and kill them during the knockdown animation. Which isn't even a strategy that works for Defense, so Cataclysm, while thematically relevant, is kind of this weird outlier in his kit.

The jury has yet to be presented with any evidence supporting this statement.

That right there crystallizes Limbo's niche very well. My personal opinion on Limbo is that his kit performs in this niche exceptionally, however the very fundamentals of Warframe does not value this skillset in general. I can't think of any situation where Limbo's talents are explicitly needed. That said, he is very distinct from other warframes because of his playstyle (and hat). Whether this is a gimmick or not is left to the discretion of the user.

He works very well for Capture missions, although he's sort of overshadowed in that regard by any decent gun.

For aside gimmicky bosses like Ruk, Vor, Lech and Tyl, he works great as a boss killer but any properly equipped and armed Warframe does that too.

edited 23rd Oct '15 6:10:52 PM by AngelusNox

I like Limbo. Aside from his assassin role, he's a very good spy — he makes Corpus spy missions trivial by ignoring their lasers. My favourite frame is probably Banshee, because modded correctly, Sonar carries well into endless missions, Silence is generally useful, and her first has an augment that makes it strip armour from enemies. She's a bit on the frail side, though.

Heh.◊ I lol'd.

*chuckling. So much chuckling*

He's pretty good at Defence missions too.Combine him with a Nyx's Absorb and it's hilarious.

Has anyone got any opinion on syndicate primaries? Pretty cool weapon set aside some niggling issues here and there.

Telos Boltor must be black sheep of this release. It surely is very powerful weapon and upgrade over regular Boltor, but inferior to Boltor Prime. Since I've slightly moved away from automatics ( not even prime version of my old love Soma could reignite the flame), Telos Boltor was only weapon that underwhelmed me and didn't earn potato.

Synoid Simulor is what regular Simulor should have been. Very strong and easy to use, but with zero use in "oh crap" situations.

Vaykor Hek... is pitiful attempt at meme. Get it, because there is enemy called Vay Hek... and gun is Vaykor Hek. Craaaaaaaaaayze funnneh! Anyhow, it's awesome gun, but leaves me with bad taste in my mouth. It really doesn't justify its awesome damage. Tigris does insane damage, but requires leaps and bounds of skill to use effectively. Hek does comparable damage with no downsides whatsoever. Also it's magnificent BOOOM got replaced with pathetic fap. And turns out Hek still has some sound to it, but it's played only next to walls. Because fucking reverb.

Rakta Cernos is allegedly new best bow. Functions like (almost) any other before it, so... nothing to complain about, nothing to get exited for. Tho it's funny how once underdog Veil is now offering really boss weapons. Heat Dagger with innate Covert Lethality for Veil's syndicate melee?

Secura Penta is Penta and that should explain everything you should know. Only issue I found was grenade detonation being tugged on alt fire button. Penta was one weapon in no need for alt fire. I have alt fire on E, which limits my mobility when I detonate grenades while melee is on middle mouse button. I could switch them, but that would make melee uncomfortable and I use it more often than Penta. And I need melee when using Penta to beat back anyone who got in my face, so I need both attack methods, one of which unavoidably is uncomfortable.

Sancti Tigris is FUCKING AWESOME. Very, very powerful, but it's power is justified. Not easy to use, but it's always clear what I'm doing wrong and what I should do to improve. I'm far from good with it, but I'm determined to reach that high point. Amazing skin, and sound team hasn't (yet) skullfucked it's amazing BOOOM. Only thing I could hold against it, like with Hek, Boltor, and Penta, Tigris probably wasn't in need of upgraded version. Pffft, what I'm kidding, Sancti Tigris is love, Sancti Tigris is life.

edited 25th Oct '15 3:07:27 AM by Prany

Yeah Tigris is great, so the Sancti Tigris is even better.

Armored Agility alert on Jupiter. It's exterminate mission so like taking candy from baby. Only 30 min left.

Which among these Forma-required are "recommended" weapons?

• Buzlok
• Ignis
• Marelok
• Nukor
• Prova
• Glaxion
• Akstiletto
• Attica
• Castanas
• Daikyu
• Venka
• Pyrana
• Silva & Aegis

Nukor makes your opponent swell like a baloon.Clearly the better choice.

well weapon choice also depends largely on personal choice (though nowhere near as much as warframes, as there ARE weapons that are plain ol' better than others), but if anything i'll give you an overall description on all those:

• buzlok: a pretty good example of an interesting weapon that could have been a LOT better, it has the unique characteristic of letting you shoot a "beacon" which makes all your shots home to it untill it expires, otherwise it just shoots normally, pretty accurate on non-homing fire (obviously impossibly accurate on homing fire), but has slowish fire-rate and proyectile speed, coupled with it's sub-par dmg it really can't be said to be a good weapon, it IS fun to use though, and it should be good enough on early parts of the solar map, but it won't get you much farther than that.
• ignis: the resident flamethrower, has deceptively long range and said range can be increased even further, as an Ao E weapon it hits a lot of mooks a lot of the time, and also has a decent dmg output, used to be firmly put in the mid-tier weapon range, but was recently buffed (i've yet to test the buffed ignis though, so i've no clue how much better it got)
• marelok: this is one moster of a gun, it has deals HUGE damage and is decently accurate, has a big recoil though, so it takes a while to master, but once you get used to it it is pretty damn good
• nukor: this gun is many things, some bad, some good, some very weird, but most of all it's plain ol' fun, as alekos up there said this thing makes your enemies blow up like balloons, more precisely, wherever you hit your enemy that bodypart will grow to freaky proportions and then blow up, which among others lets you turn mooks into bobbleheads, other than that it has a shortish range and decent dmg output on base, but with the right mods and equipment can become an all killing radiation monster (that requires arcanes though, which you're most likelly very far from getting, as they are trial rewards, and good ones are pretty darn hard to get even when you run trials normaly)
• prova: it's an electric stick, you swing it like a stick, uses machete stance which is mostly pretty dull, it also has sub-par dmg and... well it really doesn't have anything special going for it, it's just some sub-par melee weapon
• glaxion: this is a weird one, it has a pretty cool mechanic that lets it freeze enemies solid if you keep it's beam on them for a while, problem is it takes too long to freeze an enemy for the mechanic to be usefull, and it has both a low dmg output and bad ammo efficiency, not to mention it's a beam weapon so it also has limited range, it's useable, but in most cases you'll either be killing enemmies before they get frozen or won't be freezing them fast enough for the gimmick to be usefull
• akstilletto: not the best machine-pistol pair out there but a good weapon nontheless, they have some spread, but also have practically no recoil, and their dmg output is pretty good, they are also one VERY pretty pair of guns
• attica: another weird one, it's a decent weapon but there's better weapons out there, it does have some characteristics no other weapon has though, to be precise it's a machine crossbow, which means it benefits from bow's 2x fire-rate mod bonus, and it can use the "thunderbolt" mod, which gives it's arrows a 30% chance to explode on hit (regardless of it hits an enemy or a surface or whatever), add a load of fire-rate and multishot mods and you got explosions EVERYWHERE
• castanas: yet another weird one, these throwing shock mines don't do anything unless you tell them to, whne they hit something (regardless of what) they stick to it (but dela no dmg), then you can use the alt-fire button to detonate them, there's a limit to how many you can deploy at a time though, and they have slow proyectile speed, they DO deal a load of dmg though
• daikyu: this bow is... not for everyone, it's a sniper bow, and can only shoot when fully drawn, it has very high dmg and status chance, so with the right mods every shot can cause mayor dmg and put some status effects on anything that survives, as a bow it benefits from the fire-rate x2 mod bow bonus, so despite being the slowest bow it can still get pretty fast, it does have one big problem though, it used to have auto-charge when pressing the fire button, as well as a time limit to how long you could hold the charge, but they removed both to give it a normal bow trigger, that, however, made the trigger respond oddly when equipped with a lot of fire-rate mods, and often jams if you try to draw too quickly, it can be pretty good in the right hands, but it's VERY hard to master
• venka: awesome weapon, if you got the right mods, it's painfully slow without a stance, but if you got one it gets considerably faster, best used with a melee proficient frame, specialy volt and valkyr as they can increase melee attack speed, it's sub-par without the right mods though, oh and it turns you into freaking wolverine
• pyrana: decent dmg, decent crit chance, high fire-rate, no dmg dropoff-over-distance (most shotguns and shotgun pistols have it), has a big spread and very high pellet count, has a huge recoil so it's hard to use, o hand it also happens to be the only machine-shotgun-pistol in the game, not a bad weapon, can be good if you get good at using it
• silva & aegis: this thing is magnificent, it looks awesome and the moves on both of it's stances are just as awesome, problem is it has short range and lowish dmg, it also has the highest blocking dmg reduction effect in the game, it having an actual shield and all that, it's not a bad weapon but it's not top tier either, really not worth using without a stance though.

edited 25th Oct '15 6:47:06 PM by GanonDerf

@entropy: Prova Vandal pretty much sucks, so I imagine regular Prova sucks even more. Silva and Aegis aren't really worth anything in my experience.
@Prany: Vaykor Hek is regular Hek's wheelchair-bound brother because it can't use Scattered Justice. I'd go for regular Hek over Vaykor Hek any time.

All due respect, des, but Vaykor is, while not immediately noticeable, sure upgrade over vanilla Hek. Yes, Vaykor does almost tenth less damage per shot, but it has higher fire rate and double magazine size resulting in significantly greater dps. And that's not even taking in account headshot crits. Besides, most of the game both shotguns will kill everything in one shot making damage less significant than quality of life - area where Vaykor again beats vanilla handily. Vaykor Hek isn't wheelchair-bound brother. It isn't sidegrade. It's indisputable upgrade.

edited 26th Oct '15 2:28:40 PM by Prany

Just got my newest Warframes, Nyx and Oberon LOL. But it's 1am now so I should sleep...

Could someone start-up the new clan research projects? it would also help if you would make it so anyone can start the projects, as I don't think there's any harm in it.

That Hallowed Nightmares missions were horribly hard.

Done, my bad I didn't think there was new clan tech recently.