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Worgen combo can still deal 26+ damage from an empty board (Raging Worgen + Charge + Inner Rage x2 + Rampage), so while it might not be as easy to get the OTK, it won't go away just because Thaurissan leaves Standard. It's just that it won't be telegraphed quite as obviously, so you won't know in advance when to concede.

Probably to prevent milling her. Blizz went to extra lengths to ensure that Heroic Crone could only be beaten by players who can deal enough damage by turn 8 (up to 10 if you're using a cheese deck).

edited 22nd Aug '16 11:38:33 AM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"

Yeah apparently the card is added to the deck before and after the draw phase, so technically she gets 2 twisting nethers per turn and draws 1.

It's an interesting way to push the 8 turn clock without making it a hard clock since Lotheb prevents Twisting Nether for at least 1 turn.

It's absurdly easy to beat playing Inner Fire priest, buff Dorothy with 1 inner fire you win.

I am REALLY hoping for a 'quick' nerf to OTK warrior. It's never going to go away cause they are all classic cards.

edited 22nd Aug '16 11:37:53 AM by Memers

Next test I'd like to see is what if you can mill her by filling her hand so she can't draw? Not mill to fatigue, but employing Cho, Mulka, etc.

edited 22nd Aug '16 11:38:10 AM by Elle

Really, it speaks to the continuing seeping abscess that the Charge mechanic is in the game. These days the new version of it is a 0-mana Arcane Giant with all the buffs, Charge, and Faceless.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"

Odds are she doesn't draw Twisting nether for 1 turn (or 2), but she's bound to eventually free a slot. I guess you could tie her down forever by using cho and giving her spells that only target friendly minions and keeping her board empty....

Still don't see how that's worst than Miracle Rogue. At least the worgen can be delayed by a taunt. There's no stopping the spell rampage of a miracle rogue. And Barnes has made miracle rogue so much more dangerous.

edited 22nd Aug '16 11:42:04 AM by CobraPrime

It's entirely possible that her deck doesn't have Twisting Nether in it at all, but rather that it spontaneously adds it (and draws it) each turn starting at 8.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"

Using Cho and Bananas would go some way in sciencing out how that works.

That helps the player though. Anyway, it's just the most basic example of the idea, as the foundation of the earliest mill decks. The actual deck to make it happen would need a lot more.

edited 22nd Aug '16 11:50:07 AM by Elle

She can banana dorothy however.

Give her Purify :-P

In response to your earlier edit, successfully pulling off the Malygos burst Rogue (or, indeed, any class) using Barnes is an extraordinarily low-probability play. It's pretty nice for highlight reels but not so much for ranking up. For one thing, if you draw Malygos first, you're simply hosed, and that's roughly 50% of matches, not counting the mulligan.

Gang Up might make that a little stronger, by giving you extra Malygii (Malygeese?), but that's a turn 9 play at absolute best.

edited 22nd Aug '16 11:53:27 AM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"

Trump did speculate that Malyrogue might be one of the best decks to play at this particular moment because of the increase in people trying Priest,which simply dies to combo. The way he built his Malyrogue was so that pretty much anything Barnes might pull would be benificial in some way. It doesn't have to pull exactly Malygos. It could give you an extra Auctioneer, for example.

edited 22nd Aug '16 11:57:57 AM by Elle

Isn't the key problem with that deck that if Barnes is in your bottom 5, for example, you just lose?

edited 22nd Aug '16 12:25:44 PM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"

Barnes can be just a bonus in Malyrogue and such. Just put him in and if you draw him early you might get something good, if you do not draw him nothing is really lost as you just play Malyrogue normally. If Barnes and Malygos are both at the bottom of your deck you were probably going to lose anyway so it doesn't matter.

Drawing him during an auctioneer hunt could potentially be bad but its the same as any other minion.

edited 22nd Aug '16 12:41:14 PM by Memers

No, the point of Barnes is that he's a BONUS for the deck. Either he gives you a 2nd Taurissan, letting you fire all your spells who have been discounted (twice) in a single turn, or he gives you Malygos for 5 mana cheaper (Essentially the same bonus as getting a 2nd Thaurissan) OR he gives you a third auctioneer for 2 mana cheaper, allowing you to "miracle" even more. even lesser outputs of Barnes are good: Tomb Pillager is an extra coin for Auctioneer / casting spells on Malygos. Extra Thalnos is spell draw and spellpower if you need to do removal. Basically the only bad outcome of barnes is SI-7 And since you usually mulligan to have those in hand early in the game, the odds of Barnes pulling them is lower.

Miracle Rogue already works fine on its own, it's just that Barnes has very high odds of making the deck's combo all the more insane. He's not the win condition, but he can make every step TO the win condition hell of a lot smoother.

edited 22nd Aug '16 1:32:57 PM by CobraPrime

Well, I think upping the cost of Raging Worgen would help somewhat. Or Blizzard could take the Warsong Commander approach to nerfing it and just remove the Windfury from its Enrage.

And about Thaurissan: This card rotating out means you can't do the whole bloody combo in one turn, giving your opponent at least time to react instead of just insta-killing him while he's sitting on full health. :/

Welcome to Estalia, gentlemen.

I think it more likely they would give the Buzzard treatment to Charge itself. It would be consistent with past nerfs at least.

But I think the deck would have to get a lot more popular for that to happen. Charging giants and Worgen OTK in Warrior has been a thing that's lurked around the fringe long before this. The reason Worgen's risen in popularity at all is someone made Legend with a budget version and it got on Reddit. It's spiking a bit again now because hey, new Giant to play with.

You're all overreacting, especially when only half the new cards are out. What kind of meta are you playing in where OTK Worgen / Giants and Malygos Rogue are the biggest threats on ladder? I'm not particularly enamoured with being able to deal OTK lethal from hand either, but the solution is not to nerf every single combo deck and literally turn this game into Curvestone.

Barnes is fair game though.

edited 22nd Aug '16 5:13:49 PM by Pyrite

Not a substitute for a formal medical consultation.

For the first time in my life i decided to try an Arcane Giant Miracle rogue.

Oh my the bullshit that is playing 2 arcane giants and a 12/12 Vancleff then give them stealth almost made me cringe.

But then i got smorced down by a hunter. Can we keep this lovely meta before aggro returns plis?

Uni cat

Aw yeah, got golden hunter.

That's my third one now.

I think Toast really likes this boss

<Bliz junior designer sees video> "Guys, looks like we missed one!"

Getting 101+ health by turn 8 isn't exactly an easy proposition.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"

Indeed; the speculation I'm seeing is that it involved Armorsmith from Silvermoon Portal. Combine that with also managing to get Justicar and Finley out while also stalling Twisting Nether to at least turn 10...

He can stall for 8 turns using Loatheb and the four brew masters, along with 2x redemption and 2x saboteur, although he didn't use the last twos as Dorothy is still on the board and doesn't have 1hp.

edited 23rd Aug '16 1:10:34 PM by zsmg

Heads up, third Hearthstone animated video.

Prepare your kappas.

edited 23rd Aug '16 7:22:34 PM by MeeMaggot

This land is peaceful, its inhabitants kind.. ∩(·ω·)∩ WAIT, is this supposed to be the mistress herself?

...kappas?

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