Women's Issues

Indeed. For every woman getting pregnant at 23 there would need to be four 13-year-olds getting pregnant and for every 30 year old you'd need seven 13-year-olds to come to such an average. Seems rather unlikely.

Why? Are they thinking men are more deserving of welfare or something?

Isn't it obvious? Why should the state pay when their man should be looking after them (father, husband, brother, boyfriend: it doesn't matter)?

edited 31st Mar '14 8:58:04 AM by Euodiachloris

But then they would say something similar about men. Why should the state pay when their should be looking after themselves? It was my understanding that men still should get welfare but not women.

Because they have families to take care of, of course! <_< They might be a lazy bum, but think of the children! (While trying to punish the deadbeat dad for being a poverty-stricken waste of space.)

Nobody says it has to actually make sense. -_-

I've heard the argument (not saying these people are the ones making it, but I've heard it) that women who get pregnant are the ones at fault for not keeping their legs closed. The general school of thought was to "discourage" them from having unprotected, promiscuous, uncommitted sex by punishing the ones who'd already "screwed up".

I know this is an argument, because...unfortunately...this what I and other people I know believed.

Arkansas is an abstinence only state. A teacher can get fired for teaching protective measures. It is not uncommon for church leaders and youth ministers to come into schools and give the talks. My school did that until one guy told the class sex was fun. He also said it was fun because it was a gift from god to him and his wife but too bad. He said fun.

I said the state average was 15 and that was 10 years ago. Its gotten better since then. Schools began experimenting with student daycare between 10-8 years ago. That could be a mitigating factor.

It is super hard for men in Arkansas to get welfare of any kind because they are expected to get a job, women are expected to stay home and make babies, that's it.

And while I am well aware Arkansas is a unique shit hole of it's own, there are similar problems cropping up in areas I would never think of such as states allowing rapists' paternity rights and the crackdown on abortion in states where that was never an issue.

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More common than you'd think.

edited 31st Mar '14 9:32:53 AM by Achaemenid

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This is actually a depressingly popular attitude throughout history, and one that men often like to forget is still alive and well today.

It's a combination of our cultural misogyny mixed with our fondness for victim-blaming; our culture loves to sympathize with the criminal, a fact that holds true for other violent crimes such as murder as well. This combination is what makes our handling of rape victims so thoroughly f*cked up.

We need to spend less time trying to figure out how to make the lives of violent criminals better, and more time helping the victims.

edited 31st Mar '14 9:34:59 AM by TobiasDrake

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How are they supposed to get jobs in the middle of a recession?

They have no answer for that. I have never once seen a conservative give a good answer to that question when you point out that there simply aren't enough jobs for all the people that need work.

We haven't actually been in a recession since 2009. But there's problems with the way it's measured. For instance, unemployment rate. To be considered unemployed, you have to be looking for work. A lot of people give up looking for work with the job market as shitty as it is, so they no longer count as being unemployed or as part of the labor force, bringing down the unemployment rate.

Kinda that, yea, even as liberal I can tell you that that is correct.

Amercia has not been in a recession for a while, look where it stands on the global market, and its economy has been doing a damn good job of recovery. National debt is nothing like personal dept, most of any countries debt is to itself, you gotta compare spending to the GDP if you want any accurate representation of what a country is doing on that end, but people want a scapegoat to blame there problems on, and conservitives want something to blame the president for, so every one kinda just ingnores its recovery.

The welfare thing is something I never get, they fight tooth and nail, to put an expecting mother through hell, experiance the most painful thing a human can experiance, and then take care of a kid she probaly was not capable of caring for.

Yet they wont help one bit after the kid is born, and infact fight any one who tries to help, telling them thats her job.

Hell even from a religious prespective thats fucked up, dont most religious books preach about helping the neighbor?

edited 31st Mar '14 10:05:29 AM by Imca

Member of feminist society at Queen's University, Ontario, is attacked and beaten after receiving several threatening messages about her opposition to an event organised by a local MRA group. Police 'haven't dismissed the possibility that the attack was a hate-crime'.

The MRA community's response is typically charming.

What's precedent ever done for us?

That's what I don't get. A Christian would be against abortion but for helping the mothers and especially the children (who even in their worldview have done nothing wrong). Someone who want's to crack down on the poor (or blacks, racism has some influence here too I wager) however would want them to have lesser children and thus support abortion and birth control, like the eugenicists did. Both alone would be unethical but this combination of forcing people to have children while not giving them a means to raise them is inconsistent and just stupid in addition to being unethical.

"manboobz.com"? Sorry the website is blocked by my school

They're (mostly) safe-for-work - they're a site devoted to highlighting sexism on the Internet, with a particular focus on the bitter, paranoid misogynists who comprise the majority of the men's rights movement.

What's precedent ever done for us?

The majority ? Are you sure it isn't a vocal minority ?

It's always "majority" when it comes to MRA or any other men's issues or criticism against feminism.

But it's always "small vocal minority who are not real feminist" when spoken about, shall we say, inconvenient groups in feminist movement.

Pretty sure, yeah. In much the same way as it wasn't just a vocal minority of the Klan planting burning crosses on black people's lawns. Insofar as the self-identified men's rights movement is an organisation, it's a pretty horrible one, and whilst there are some pretty decent organisations dealing with issues chiefly or uniquely pertaining to men, they don't identify as MRAs and explicitly distance themselves from that movement.

edited 31st Mar '14 11:26:52 AM by Iaculus

What's precedent ever done for us?

M pretty sure most men who advocate equal treatment of the sexes aren't part of these "MR As"

None of them do, they all promote more oppression of women, accuse us of being lieing whores, and every topic of feminisim is met with "Think of the men D:"

It is a majority, atleas in so far as I have yet to meet a sane one.

I'm pretty sane

Going through recent history, I dont remember you doing any thing in this thread no, I have a really poor time with associating events with names though, but I still am giving the benifit of the doubt right now.

But the majority of the MRA's, even the ones here, do more to oppress then to help, they ingnore that the majority of the problems affect both sexes and that the best way to fix that is both at once?

Oh hey men are more likley to get drafted? Did you ever consider that if women were not considered too weak to fight we would be drafted too? and this is something we suport, equal fucking treatment?

Things like that.

And any one else who presses this topic about themselves is not going to get a response, the answer is most of you do, quite a few of you are horrible people, and if you need to ask you probably are one of them.

Not touching any more of that with a 10 foot pole though to avoid flame wars.

edited 31st Mar '14 12:09:06 PM by Imca

M pretty sure most men who advocate equal treatment of the sexes aren't part of these "MR As"

That's because 'promoting the equal treatment of the sexes' usually implies the implicit acknowledgement that a great deal of history, recent or otherwise, involves women getting oppressed and marginalised (which is why promoting that equal treatment is the chief goal of feminism, and why feminism has that name). The men's-rights movement, as a self-identified body, generally either rejects that or severely downplays it, often constructing ludicrous conspiracy-theories to show that men were the real victims, sacrificed in their droves to give stay-at-home housewives their nice, cushy lives.

edited 31st Mar '14 12:11:56 PM by Iaculus

What's precedent ever done for us?