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I was trying to answer the question from the ethical standpoint, not the legal one.

It's the altered state ethical set. Which basically boils down to "don't do anything that they couldn't understand or agree to in baseline unless there's a clear and present danger to them if you don't do something". So, just as you shouldn't tattoo somebody on drink, drugs, a temporal lobe seizure, a psychotic break or a manic high... don't have sex with a drunk. Even if Drunken Self says they want it, as Baseline Self had no say in this. :/

edited 3rd May '15 11:09:43 PM by Euodiachloris

I'd say that the line becomes less easy to see when you've got a drunk person aggressively pushing the more sober person to have sex with them.

Drunkeness is like porn in the end, it's hard to pin down when someone is to drunk to consent but you know it when it's in front of you.

Hangover 4 is gonna be crap, then.

I wanted to ask here cos if I looked it up myself I might come across pics of the actual surgery, which I can't stomach: when a translady has had her vaginoplasty, what state is he in? Can she walk with crutches or is she wheelchair bound? And for how long? Also, I've heard of ladies getting womb transplants and then successfully having babies. How many ladies has this worked for, and has it been done on transladies?

To. The best of my knowledge, no Translady has been given a uterus because of the simple fact it wouldn't work.

Men don't have room or the internal strength to bear children. And there is more than just the uterus to build a female. We aren't there yet.

Now for removing the penis and building a vagina, that varies. Like Canada has a couple extra steps than Taiwan.

It isn't one surgury. It is several. So mobility after depends on doctor's orders, which phase, and individual choice.

Though none of those I know we're on crutches or anything like that, male or female.

The skeletal build for example is one of the things women have that men do not that allows them to bear children.

Also, hormones. Trying to bring a pregnancy to full term with artificial hormones? I'd rather go haystack diving for a needle without a magnet.

edited 7th May '15 8:05:45 AM by Euodiachloris

And men's internal structure, like their organs and what not are not as prepped for this as we are. Even if you can get the uterus and an ovary into the male torso, even if you can get the hormones, blood vessels, and everything else correct to support menstruation, should they become pregnant, their internals would not fair very well with the stress of a growing uterus and spreading abdomen.

And honestly, procreation is the only reason why I could think of why a transwoman would even want this.

Hell, I love not having a period. A transwoman would have the best of the world. They can be perfectly female while avoiding the pain of menstruation and negative health effects.

Could we reach that point where that is possible? Sure. But not in the next hundred years. Maybe not even in the next several hundred.

How exactly would a trans get pregnant unless she got the ovaries from another donor?

The womb itself is a complex organ, even if there was a womb transplant I don't think that the drugs to prevent rejection would allow the fetus to live.

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edited 7th May '15 8:39:59 AM by carbon-mantis

By the time we reach that point it be probably easier to just go for a Uterine Replicator anyway. Less complicated and less dangerous.

There have been successful pregnancies from womb transplants between (I hate this term but I don't know what else to use so please help me out) naturally born women.source

Ovaries help a lot with pregnancy, but even if we put the ovaries in with a uterus, the ovaries couldn't function the same as in a woman because the transwoman would be lacking all the other hormonal governance and what not to make that ovary and uterus by default, viable.

We would have to rewire their entire body and skeletal structure to have all this done.

We could reach that point where it is possible, but I don't see that in any coming time at all. That's like Dune level future for me.

Would Biologically born women work?

Thank you!

I think that would be much less, uninviting and accidentally disrespectful.

Transwoman are women who just had the birth defect of being born in the wrong body. I don't' want to be disparaging towards them in any regard.

Ok, I want to ask this with all the curiosity and let said ignorance here.

you see I have read a lot of men issue with woman like white knighting,nice guy, entitledment and all the jazz, I have seen a lot of feminist webside talk about it which make me ask: if any of this happen to you as well? I meant I have hear there are nice girl and all but only from MRA which let be clear, there are not a very...reliable way

So in short and simple: are cases of nice girl,white knight and all or is a male culture issue?

It is very real.

In like. Disney movies.

But no, seriously. In real life there are all sorts of cases. It might happen. In fact, if you ask me, it probably has happened. But if you ask me, it also probably does not happen often at all.

The problem with sexism, misoginy and whatnot, is assuming that all the cases are the same. The assumption that every woman is a slut who only sleeps with bad guys and nice guys are relegated to spectator mode leads a lot of men to treat women as some hostile being who wants to keep them away from their pants (which by the way, are assumed to host El Dorado).

The assumption that you gotta be an asshole to get some pussy, the assumption that women just want you for your money the assumption that women are just sex objects the assumption that women do not actually seek a romantic relationship the assumption that a refusal for sex is a refusal as a human being...

The whole culture propagates a set of behaviors that are harmful to women. The problem is not so much "Does it happen?" but the fact that it assumes that it happens for most.

Objection! We already have crude cybernetics, ones capable of interefacing with the nervous system now actualy, a very important step, were slated to have a computer capable of matching the human brain within 20 years, and more over were actualy exceding the schedual of moores law currently.

Don't count advances in medicine within 100 years out, but likley the transhumanisim route would be better, don't like a body, build a new one from the ground up.

Although this would need an artifical uterus, and last I checked, were still not 100% sure how pregnancy works, which is a problem... I kinda wonder if more women in the sciences will help science things related to us develop faster.

edited 7th May '15 10:38:10 AM by Imca

I have never encountered a White Knight.

I have encountered people who accuse male feminists of white knighting.

It mostly seems to be used as a silencing tactic, guys not actually agreeing, just wanting to be the hero.

When I first encountered it I thought it was an issue of guys being nice and then having an ulterior motive.

But in actuality it seems like it's a silencing technique done by guys, towards guys.

The most common asshole sexist steytyopes tend to vary but you'll tend to find both in either gender, just in varying numbers.

I know a girl who did the "I'm gonna come over for a friends thing then get you drunk and try to push you to get with me" thing, I've had a male freind of mine recive unwanted touching in a club and have the women act like she was giving him a gift by doing so, white knights come in all varieties.

Beyond direct stuff I've known girls who've parroted the "men can't be raped" lie and met others who fully use the idea that some stuff is "men's work" and they shouldn't be asked to help.

Assholes come in all shapes and sizes with all sorts of belifes, regardless of gender.

Knighting is a weird one, I've been acussed of it by a feminist freind of mind at times, likewise I've had other feminists tell me not to use the term when talking about actually helping people. The thing about knighting that makes it knighting and not helping is the assumption that the other person needs your help, especially if that assumption is based purely on the gender of the person being helped.

edited 7th May '15 11:06:09 AM by Silasw

I think there are female white knights and Nice Girls out there, and it is a component of toxic femininity.

I actually made a Sarah Silverman reference a while back that fits here:

It's from the Men's Issues thread: Sarah Silverman and diva culture.

Basically what I'm talking about is dumb shit like this:

50 Differences Between Real Girls and Fake Girls

...which has a few good points scattered about, but is mostly a thinly concealed endorsement of internalized sexism not all that different from the alpha-beta binary used by many PUAs and red pillers of dudebro culture.

A lot of women I see on Facebook like to post quotes and images about how they deserve a real man, or how they're strong women because they "ignore all the haters". You've probably seen hundreds of them before. Gabrael knows exactly what I'm talking about. Stuff like this:

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Come on, you know what I'm talking about. That one woman on Facebook who floods her feed with business about how real friends never betray her and the liars and haters are backstabbers. She makes it sound as if she's an ancient Roman despot clinging to the senate or something. Or shouting matches about how that fake ass ho stole the good men. Or how real men will have their swag and hustle right while still treating you right...or something. Fuck if I know.

My favorite ones are the girls down here in the south who get completely wasted, gossip about other people, experience an unnecessarily candid breakup online followed by situational misandry (all men are dogs! Just can't find any good men), and then they make some half-hearted nod toward their Christian faith.

And another comment about fake girls who can't keep it real. But she wants a man. But she doesn't because they're dogs. But she's lonely. But she says being single is the best thing to happen to her and she's going to stay single forever. But it's margarita night and there's that one cute guy, and she's totally right for him because she's totally a good person. And so on. And so on.

Bonus points for pictures with a Calvin Klein/thug life motif with two gorgeous people embracing while displaying really shitty tattoos.

I digress, but my general point here is that we still have a problem with women who use social media, Saturday night alcohol binges and manic-depressive serial dating to mask the fact that they are miserable people who probably need counseling and a new set of friends who actually keep them out of trouble.

EDIT: Oh, before I forget, there's also the issue of those Ryan Gosling memes. Many of the women I'm talking about are the ones who took the "Ryan Gosling does sweet things for you" meme a bit too seriously.

edited 7th May '15 11:26:00 AM by Aprilla

the issue with knighting is that like troll,mary sue and many other words, become a quick and easy way to acuse someone: are you not agree with me? you are a troll? your chararter is not my tease? cleary is a mary sue, did you come and speak for her? a knight who wants some pussy, see? very simple

Now, I have been white knight, my ex girlfriend have some issue with her mother, her dead dad and she was prone to cry a lot, I help her because I liked her and I used to think that since we are togedher is my duty to do something....

You see, one of the thing I like about Dr nerdlove is that his article about white knighting tell you: that white knight can also become a problem for the men who is doing since it let you vulnerable for a manipulative woman or take in his shoulder ALL her problems as happen to me...that wasnt pretty at all: talk to her for 6 horus to calm her down, her crying and pretty much acting like a female shinji, from my part I become depentding of her caring and controling at the top of that, went she become stronger I was worring she wont leave me anymore and THAT is when I figure out that the whole thing depend of drama and hurt feeling to exist, so we broke out......very painfully and messy

So the issue here: white knighting is more the act to defend her because she is weak and put her in a pedestal(even years later I talk to her and she tell me that I used to treat her as a mysthical and eteral being who exist to make me happy if a help her) it is bad for women because they are not threat like a person and the men because he need wer "weakness" to get the caring they want, it is reaaaally fuck up, trust me

I don't even use Facebook for that exact reason. I rather just google "Stupid facebook quotes" and I get to mock all the imbeciles on Facebook without the hassle of making a profile.

Except of those times my mother just comes around speaking how our cousin put up a public post about how much women love masturbating, fully knowing grandma also follows her feed.

Not so much a "woman" thing though. Internet idiots know no gender, and know, in fact, nothing.

I should get that framed.

I'd hardly say that helping out your partner when they're going though a tough time is knighting, that's being a good partner.

Part of knighting is the ridding in, it's the storming in to fight the dragon like some fairytale hero. You know what such heroes tend to lack? Any kind of actual relationship with the person they're rescuing. They're there for the dragon and to look heroic, the quest is to "slay the dragon and rescue the princess", not "help the princess escape if she needs help and if required slay the dragon".

Knights come uninvited out of the mist, friends and partners are there already, knights slay the dragon for you because you're helpless, friends and partners help you slay the dragon yourself.