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Pony Rainbow Dash is kind of a dick.
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It's just Pony Rainbow gets a lot more screentime, and thus more chances to show herself as a fleshed out character. The humans tend to invariably look Flanderized in comparison, because there's only so much you can do with them.
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Agreed. You have to remember that pony Rainbow Dash has gone through a lot of Character Development throughout the seasons to get to where the "Heart of Gold" part of Jerk with a Heart of Gold is much more noticeable. For all we know, EQG Rainbow Dash has not gone through anything similar yet so this could be the opportunity for her to go through that.
Plus, one common complaint is Rainbow Dash not doing much in the first movie, so yeah, yet another Author's Saving Throw (though honestly, I wasn't that upset over her not having much of a part. I thought what she did, like being the first to confront Sunset Satan, was fine.).
edited 29th Aug '14 7:21:38 PM by AkoSiKuya23
Any thoughts on this one? I'm pretty sure there are still a few who think this way, but most people seem to have accepted her redemption based on the clips released thus far. I totally agree with this being up on the first movie's YMMV page, but not so much on the Rainbow Rock YMMV page.
Another reason why just taking characters and copying them into a while different setting, with wholly different lives, and with no actual connection or similarity in anything they have ever been through.. and yet expecting them to be the same exact character is just stupid.
At some point, someone in the EG world should be shown having a pony named Megan.
That preview made me feel happy for Flash and Sunset. They're really building them up from the ground up. Really hope there's a third movie if this is successful.
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Still intent on beating that dead horse, huh?
Man, Flash is acting a dork. That's some good character progress right there. ![[lol]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/lol2v12_4863.png "[lol]"){kind=small}
Yeah, they seem to be handling Flash and Sunset quite well. I hope that they continue with that. Flash seems ridiculously optimistic in his hopes that Twilight would be there though.
I really don't understand why a lot of people are praising what they are doing with Flash. He's got nothing going for him except his crush on Twilight. I think if the genders were reversed I think people would be (rightly) critical of that characterization.
It's his reaction to his crush. Look deeper.
His reaction is that he is that he is still (naively) holding out hope and he's kind of embrassed about it. It's not really much, especially if it doesn't inform any of his behavior outside of his crush, which if we don't see any it really doesn't.
Which is a strange reaction and tells us more about him. What's more, as the reaction o a character that isn't perfect. People were complaining that he didn't have flaws (which wasn't actually true, but good to see them become clearer anyway).
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Then what "flaws" did he/it have in the first movie? I can't remember the forced romantic interest having any noticeable traits at all let alone flaws. Though hopefully Rainbow Rocks fixes him into being an actual character this time but as for me I am more interested in seeing how reformed Sunset will be who I think or hope will actually be pretty interesting than what ever happens with Flash Sentry.
edited 30th Aug '14 12:49:04 PM by cmarston1
"If you look for the light, you can often find it. But if you look for the dark, that is all you will ever see."
Why aren't you laughing?
There really wasn't a romance whatsover in the first one.All it was was Twilight getting all flustered over a guy who didn't seem to like like her back,but RR seems to be proving me wrong since Flash now seems to be attracted to her.
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@Ako: I'd hold off on changing it until after the movie actually comes out.
As for Flash, I think what people like isn't so much the specifics of his development so much as they're actually doing something with him this time around. The primary criticism of him in the first movie was that he didn't really have any relevance to the plot, and that the few interesting hints at his characterization (like the fact that he apparently dated Sunset at one point) never really went anywhere.
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@cmarston: Are you really trying to claim that a flawless person would have dated Sunset Shimmer?
(There's also clumsiness, but that's less important)
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No but the first movie we saw like almost nothing of him of any relevancy. We never got a chance to know anything about him outside of being Twilight's love interest and that he dated sunset shimmer and Literally nothing else. I am willing to say he is a worse written "character" than Tom Sloane on the account of that the later actually helped characters develop and we knew a little bit about his background while Flash could have easily been written out of the movie and literally pretty much everything would be the exact same.
edited 30th Aug '14 1:27:51 PM by cmarston1
"If you look for the light, you can often find it. But if you look for the dark, that is all you will ever see."
People say this, but it's completely untrue. They say that Rainbow Dash could have replaced him, but if she did, it would have resulted in a serious undermining of the development. Flash performed roles that needed to be performed by a character that Twilight had no pony-friend equivalent of. He needed to show her that this world had people worth saving beyond those that had pony equivalents to her friends. In addition, she had to win the trust of someone outside her group of friends, someone who would stick his neck out to support her and clear her name, in order to prove that she had become the leader and representative of friendship that Celestia claimed she had become in the season finale.
You're asking that to be ruined simply because you don't like the character.
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@Scott That might actually be some (maybe misplaced) Flanderization there.
Except none of the Fake-5 ARE 'her pony friends" yes hey are similar, bu still wholly separate entities. If not the, why does anyone need to prove anything, if everyone is simply the exact same as their pony version.... why would she need to be shown anything? Just blindly accept that a world with no magic, a wholly different biology, a higher base tech level, and a completely separate history, culture, different EVERYTHING, would.. somehow have everyone be exactly the same.
It wouldn't have 'undermined' anything, because that whole sub-plot was a waste from the start and didn't lead to anything. Nothing happened that wouldn't have been the exact same if anyone else had done it. He could have been wholly excised from the movie, and it would only have improved it.
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It's just that Flash Sentry wasn't really given anything to do in the narrative and come off as unneeded and bland.
If the movie was a little bit longer and and we got to see more of him besides just being a love interest and was actually allowed to receive an actual personality than it would have worked.
Instead of having him in the movie to convey that Twilight could have been shown around the school by some minor character and extend the movie a little bit longer to have a small portion of the film be about Twilight befriending the different groups of students and uniting them together and getting to know them a little bit and during the interrogation scene have one of the other students she meet in the film or one of friends like Pinkie pie or any other member of the High-5 and then Flash wouldn't even need to exist at all.
edited 30th Aug '14 1:51:25 PM by cmarston1
"If you look for the light, you can often find it. But if you look for the dark, that is all you will ever see."
Irrelevant. Twilight recognises them, so she has a pre-established attachment. It needed to be someone new.
And now you are simply pretending that I was talking about something completely different simply to moan about stuff you don't like.
Twilight's character development in the movie is to show that she can act as an ambassador to a new culture and come to think of it as worth as much as her own. If she only bonds with those who remind her of home, it undermines that message.
He convinced Twilight that this world had good in it. A world where even those she thought of as her friends couldn't stand each other. That is huge. He also bailed her out, rejecting his former girlfriend to support the truth and prove that she was innocent. Again. Really important.
Yes, lengthening the film solve a lot of problems, but that's a separate issue. Replacing him with another new character would work, but it needs to be a new character, which is my point and completely destroys your argument that he's unnecessary as whoever replaced him wuld be the Flash equivalent.
As I said, that undermines the point that Twilight can make new friends with people she doesn't already have a pre-established reason to bond with.
Yes. He'd be replaced with "Flicker". And if he was a love interest, people would be making exactly the same complaints.
edited 30th Aug '14 3:17:20 PM by Sereg
OK I'm starting to warm up to Sunset and Flash(who seems to be a big dork). Though Human!Rainbow is a bit of a dick.
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