Steven Universe

How old are they again?

fourteen and twelve, I believe.

@LSBK, not saying there's a direct connection between them, point being if Steven can bring a person back from the dead, it doesn't seem impossible he might one day learn to uncorrupt a Gem too. It's like comparing bringing a person back from the dead to curing a person of a terminal infection, the latter seems like the more likely scenario to happen of the two, yet if the one sounding the most impossible is actually what happens, then the other scenario doesn't seem so impossible either, if you catch the drift. The point wasn't that "resurrecting someone from the grave" and "uncorrupting a Gem" is the same thing, but that if one is possible, the other might be sometime too in terms of a fictional universe.

And again Steven did partly uncorrupt Centipeedle so he might be capable of full uncorrupting at some point. We'll just have to wait and see.

edited 15th Jan '18 1:09:44 PM by tesoroazul90

Then she has good reason to faint I'd say.

Connie said she was twelve-and-three-quarters in summer ("Steven's Birthday"), and it's at least spring of the next year, so she's definitely thirteen by now.

On that note, we don't know if it's spring of summer, but either way Steven's probably closer to fifteen by now.

...I'm still not sure why you're using the Lars (and Lion) thing as "evidence" for that though. It's obvious to anyone watching this show that the corrupted Gems are going to be uncorrupted eventually, I don't think anyone has seriously questioned that. So I'm still not getting the point you're trying to make. No has argued that it happening is farfetched in the first place.

The question is how it's going to happen, because as you mentioned he could only partially fix one, and then it reverted, and Rose was likely the same way. Because they make a distinction between a Gem being damaged and a gem being corrupted, which is not a comparable situation. Which just means that either Steven's powers are going to change in some way, or they're going to take a different approach entirely from his powers.

edited 15th Jan '18 1:21:44 PM by LSBK

I still like the "Reverse Diamond Song" idea myself.

I had a phone conversation with my friend earlier today. He spouted off a bunch of theories he had about the latest two episodes of SU, one of which was that Pink Diamond's shattering was a suicide.

Of course, I told him, "But Eyeball swore that she saw Rose Quartz shatter Pink Diamond. How do you account for that?"

And then he pointed out something that honestly hadn't occurred to me; what if Pink Diamond ordered Rose to shatter her?

edited 15th Jan '18 4:06:00 PM by TyeDyeWildebeest

Here's the thing ,i think if Pink hadn't bubbled all her Rose gems she might have survived and put down the rebellion sooner,so I'm inclined to go with the theory that Pink's naivety was her downfall,she created a Gem that was simply too powerful and one of them decided to destroy her,

Not fond on the theories that she intentionally destroyed herself,that's too dark/morbid

I don't think Pink could have ordered her to do anything,other gems might have compelled to obey her,but a gem made in her own image that ends up disobeying her has a certain irony to it

edited 15th Jan '18 4:24:20 PM by Ultimatum

Another possibility that I've considered: Pink knew that Rose would be there that day, but ordered her guards to stand down because she wanted to confront Rose on her own (possibly out of a desire to prove to her "sisters" that she could handle the problem).

edited 15th Jan '18 4:55:42 PM by Blueeyedrat

A bit underwhelming, considering all the build-up.

Pink Diamond overcompensating, and creating overpowered super soldiers just to prove to her sisters she's the best Diamond there is, is actually a really funny interpretation of her.

edited 15th Jan '18 5:11:34 PM by xanderiskander

Also, while that detail could be concealed from the public, it seems like something the other diamonds would know about and wouldn't hide from each other.

Here's another thought; do you think maybe Pink Diamond could be a "defective" diamond who didn't come out the way she was supposed to? There has to be some reason why she's so much smaller than Yellow and Blue.

We brought this up practically the day of the episode.

I think that could be a defect, or just an artistic license, but either way it's probably not important.

edited 15th Jan '18 5:42:12 PM by thatother1dude

I think Eyeball only saw Rose with her sword in hand standing over Pink Diamond's shards and drew the logical conclusion.

I don't think anyone saw the actual killing blow.

Ah, I wasn't there for that (I was at MAGfest on the day of the episode's release).

edited 15th Jan '18 6:18:39 PM by TyeDyeWildebeest

@LSBK, I don't think I really meant it as "evidence" either, I was talking about something that "could" be, not "definetely" will be. Anyway, it was just a thought I had, I don't really have a more complicated explanation for it than what's already been said.

It is possible that Pink Diamond believed she was defective,when in fact she was not,maybe she was like Steven in that she would grow and change

Maybe that's the unique power of the Diamonds: the ability to grow.

My point was that focusing on the things that Steven and Rose have already done is missing the point, because uncorrupting Gems is specifically something they weren't/aren't able to fix. Obviously that's going to change, but it shouldn't just be assumed he just will be able to do it one day. It's most likely going to be something active on Steven's part that changes things.

My guess is it will involve Steven gaining new powers via fusion. Possibly even a mass fusion with the bubbled Rose Quartz gems.

edited 16th Jan '18 4:47:01 AM by M84

I don't expect the bubbled Rose Quartzes to survive,at some point I expect they'll return to the zoo to free them only to find them curiously absent,though they'll end up rescuing the zoomens so it won't be a complete downer

edited 16th Jan '18 4:56:26 AM by Ultimatum

It'd be a shame if that happened. I'd be interested in seeing what the other Rose Quartzes look like — the Famethysts, Skinny Jasper, and the other Pearls show that Gems of the same type can have very different appearances.

One thing I've wondered for a while, and all this conjecture about what Eyeball testified to seeing has made me wonder it anew...

It seems pretty solidly established to me that, when a new gem emerges, she already has had several important things implanted into her memory. Gems don't have a childhood or a schooling stage - they come out as "adults" (inasmuch as the term applies to them) capable of performing their assigned duty from the get-go. Sure, they can learn and develop further after emerging (which is patently clear just from watching the Crystal Gems on the show), but at least some of that information is just built into a gem by default.

What if that "programmed information" includes memories? What if Eyeball was deliberately made with false memories (thus, she wasn't lying, but was relaying a lie that she believed in all honesty) as a cover-up by someone else? That would neatly "square the circle" as to how to reconcile Eyeball's testifiable memories as well as Blue Zircon's conjecture at the trial. It also leads to further developments into the "conspiracy behind Pink Diamond's shattering" theory.

Also, one minor thing I've been wondering... do we have any idea just what happened to Pink Diamond's shattered gem shards? I mean, there is the obvious hypothesis - they're in The Cluster - but is there any canonical suggestion at all as to where they might be?