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#2: Dec 11th 2012 at 5:27:14 AM

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"The reason for the suit is the way you control characters using the fingertip or stylus and touch screen infringes on two patents owned by Sega."

I sure hope that they're suing over a specific way to control with the touchscreen. 'Cause if they're not, they're getting no sympathy from me.

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SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#3: Dec 11th 2012 at 5:33:52 AM

That is stupid tongue And Sega had been doing rather well before doing something stupid again

MrMallard wak from Australia, mate Since: Oct, 2010
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#4: Dec 11th 2012 at 5:36:15 AM

...What.

SEGA suing Level-5 over touchscreen controls is like Apple suing anyone for making their tablets with fingertip-sized icons. This is absolutely ridiculous.

Just... goddamnit. If my head had a crumple zone, I'd look like Betty White without her makeup.

Forgive the comparisons and such, I've been watching Whose Line Is It Anyway.

edited 11th Dec '12 5:36:59 AM by MrMallard

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#5: Dec 11th 2012 at 6:12:21 AM

That's...got to be one very special way of using the touchscreen.

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#6: Dec 11th 2012 at 6:34:40 AM

SEGA wtf. First the shining thing and now this? Wait is this Sega of Japan specifically?

SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#7: Dec 11th 2012 at 6:47:33 AM

@Vertigo: I asked someone about Sega thing and I got this posted to me .-. Do you have more info about that whether its done by sega or not as that article implies it might not even be sega since it'd be weird

PoochyEXE from 127.0.0.1 Since: Sep, 2010
#8: Dec 11th 2012 at 8:02:26 AM

Having played the Inazuma Eleven games, I can safely say there is no special way of using the touchscreen. The commands are:

  • Tap: Like clicking in a PC RTS.
  • Put your stylus down on a character, and drag to tell them where to go: Like drag and drop in a PC RTS.
  • Put your stylus down anywhere on the overworld and drag in a direction to move in that direction.
The first two have been around in mouse form on PC UIs since who-knows-when. The third is used by countless iOS games. WTF, Sega?

And according to another article, Sega has been in talks with Level-5 since October 2011.

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#9: Dec 11th 2012 at 8:08:53 AM

The other thing is that all of those exist in first or second party Nintendo games. Magical Starsign for one, Dragon Quest IX for another. Sega would have to sue pretty much anyone who developed for the DS or 3DS, including the people who made it, as well as the people who designed the Palm Pilot for this to have any credibility.

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#10: Dec 11th 2012 at 8:28:11 AM

Between this and the youtube fiasco, Sega has really lost a lot of respect from me.

Did they get new legal consultants or some shit?

SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#11: Dec 11th 2012 at 8:29:03 AM

So its confirmed that youtube thing WAS caused by sega? .-.

Tarsen Since: Dec, 2009
#12: Dec 11th 2012 at 8:30:13 AM

youtube thing?

...it doesnt have anything to do with this horrendous new layout does it?

cuz im just about ready to kill someone over that...

SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#13: Dec 11th 2012 at 8:31:10 AM

Check that article I posted, it details it and it also wonders if it was just some troll posing as Sega.

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#14: Dec 11th 2012 at 8:32:31 AM

Pressing the "A button" to cause your character to "Jump" is a copyrighted procedure first used by...

... Using the "Analog stick" peripheral to "Move" an on-screen avatar in directions corresponding to...

... Camera controls being capable of movement are exclusively the right to use of...

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#15: Dec 11th 2012 at 8:33:32 AM

No the youtube thing was sega forcing the removal of several videos on youtube.

Tarsen Since: Dec, 2009
#16: Dec 11th 2012 at 8:34:29 AM

oh is that all?

nothing noteworthy then.

Tarsen Since: Dec, 2009
#18: Dec 11th 2012 at 8:35:30 AM

-wonders who just posted and why their post is mysteriously blank-

-le gasp-

could it be?

it is!

the mysterious troll post?!

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#20: Dec 11th 2012 at 9:38:32 AM

11 million dollars? SEGA must be hoping that these guys cave in and accept a settlement because legal costs will easily overcome any net gain they might achieve very quickly.

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#21: Dec 11th 2012 at 9:56:14 AM

Videos being removed from youtube,

thats.... nothing new

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#22: Dec 11th 2012 at 10:11:52 AM

That is stupid tongue And Sega had been doing rather well before doing something stupid again
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SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#23: Dec 11th 2012 at 10:17:00 AM

Well, for example they managed to do Sonic games that weren't considered to be universally sucky tongue Thats kind of impressive considering that how many sucky Sonic games there have been

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#24: Dec 11th 2012 at 10:45:58 AM

Sonic Unleashed, Sonic Colors, Sonic Generations, Sonic 4 episode 2, Sonic adventure 2 battle for PC......

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PoochyEXE from 127.0.0.1 Since: Sep, 2010
#25: Dec 11th 2012 at 10:53:49 AM

Found two sites which show us what the patent is. I'm having trouble understanding the legal and technical jargon in Japanese, but sure enough, one of the elements Sega seems to be trying to lay claim to is friggin' drag and drop. The concept of dragging a character to tell them where to go is also in there.

It looks like Sega is suing because the in-battle stylus controls in Inazuma Eleven resemble the arcade touchscreen controls on Sega's World Club Champion Football - and the controls are quite similar, but I cannot possibly imagine how one could make a game like Inazuma Eleven with a control scheme that isn't similar. This is even more ridiculous than Apple's supposed patent on rectangles with rounded corners.

I'm starting to think Sega is just plain suicidal at this point - even if they somehow win this lawsuit, I think the PR disaster and Internet Backlash they'd suffer would cost them well over $11 million. Meanwhile, Inazuma Eleven 3 alone had about $30 million in sales on release week. The series practically prints money at this point, which means I doubt Level-5 will cave since they have the resources to fight it.

EDIT: And Sega's PR disaster has already begun. Twitter has exploded in Japan with the news. A search for "Sega" in Japanese turns up nothing but tweets on this lawsuit, most of which either express no opinion or are anti-Sega.

edited 11th Dec '12 11:28:40 AM by PoochyEXE

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