Does Not Illustrate: Start Of Darkness

I see the face in the background, but it's hard to make out. If you don't have that face, there really is no way to tell that that kid will grow up to be a villain.

It's not bad enough to warrant an immediate pull, but it still could use some work.

Image on the page, and then the same image darkened a bit through Photoshop to make the background a bit clearer.

Although looking at them side-by-side like this, it doesn't seem as dark as I'd thought I made it.

edited 10th Nov '12 10:40:46 AM by ShadowHog

Old thread Was clocked for inactivity.

From this thread I find this clearer. And its the same work◊

edited 10th Nov '12 10:43:36 AM by Ghilz

Ehh... the kid looks too evil already. It looks like he always was evil. The one currently up portrays the villain in a sympathetic light, but show his own evilness creeping up on him.

I don't have any issues seeing the helmet in the background of the current. The longer cover's a little less clear to me given how dark the reflection is in the...blood?

I'm voting Keep Until Better Image Suggested.

I'm going with the current. I don't see a significant improvement in the suggestion.

Bump...any other thoughts?

Seems fine.

2.2 is definitely more clear than the current, even if only a little.

TBH unless your familiar with X-men this illustrates nothing no matter how much you up the look of the armor. Not to mention Magneto's villain status is often debated many believing him to be close to anti-hero type IV.

Suggestion? "Remove without replacement" is a very hard sell. That is a good case that it's weak, but not a good case that it's worse than nothing.

Why is it such a hard sell? Is an image that misrepresents a trope really better than no image at all. I'd think the former is a far harder sell. Is it really so much to have no image, rather than an image that doesn't illustrate or worse contradicts the trope itself. Does every trope need a simple image, why can't the tropes description be enough?

This is just an in general question, not an argument for or against I'm just trying to understand the issue.

edited 17th Nov '12 10:32:42 AM by Vyctorian

I think it's a sinister looking helmet, regardless of whether or not you know who it is. It suggests to me that the kid is going to grow up to be a villain, and I'm not that familiar with X-Men.

No, an image that misrepresents the trope is certainly not better than no image. But that's exactly the "hard sell" part: gotta convince others that it's true that the image misrepresents the trope. I, for one, am not moved towards that conclusion even a little bit.

...also the whole "Magneto is arguably not a villain" angle only comes into play if the reader is familiar with the source, so mixing that with the "not illustrative to unfamiliar readers" case is weird at best.

It is very weak. Is it misleading? No. The kid is behind barbed wire (something bad is happening...) and the helmet (ostensibly that kid in the future, given the trope name and other clues on that page) is sinister. The page image doesn't sit in a bubble by itself.

edited 17th Nov '12 2:11:29 PM by rodneyAnonymous

Does Darth Vader◊ work better than Magneto?

That is on Foreshadowing.

I think the current is OK.

One more bump...still favoring the current over the suggestion.

It's fine, leave it.

Good enough. Locking up.