League of Legends: The New Rune War Discussion

But on the other hand, Noxus doesn't care about your race or your gender. Hell, Noxus doesn't even care if your alive or not.

Noxus= Equal Opportunity Evil.

Oh man, "the people's man" is also a phrase I despise. It turns me off. It implies that there is one narrow subset of people that are superior or more real than everyone else. It is like that "real American" that politicians are always trying to define or take advantage of.

I believe it is stated on the Demacia entry on the website it's a constitutional monarchy.

Which I recall Canada and Britain is, who are more or less democracies in practice, so the power of monarchy of Demacia could be just as uncertain, technically.

That being said, it's pretty obvious the monarchy has much more power and sway in Demacia compared to those two countries.

that sounds dangerously like something a no-good rotten socialist scumbag republican "independent" would say, blue

dont vote blue, he's one of the many horribly conservative yellow-belled democrat people threatening to destroy this great nation of ours

my name is teebs and i approve this message

this message paid for by the committee to elect teebs cuz he's totes awesome

No...political buzzword overload. Must ignore lamestream media. All hail Noxus.

All hail Noxus.

I used to think Demacia was alright, if rather bland, until I read Lux's Judgment. That was pretty eye-opening.

I was thinking that too, but looking over it again made think there's no reason to believe that's normal. It was clearly her parents' decision.

edited 10th Jul '12 9:27:45 PM by VutherA

It was more of this part to be honest:

Lux fell to the ground, the repressed memories unforgivingly rushing back into her mind. Her parents delivering the news. Lux barricading herself in her room. The pain in her arms as they forcibly dragged her away from her home. Her hair draped across her face as she refused to look at her parents. The burn of her tears as she cried herself to sleep every night. The booming voices yelling at her to focus. Her screams as she cursed her family for doing this to her.

Then, her own voice echoing back at her, reciting the Justice Pledge alongside her fellow recruits. The comfort of re-reading The Measured Tread cover to cover countless times. The indoctrination of the new incoming class, led by Lux herself. The pride swelling in her heart as she marched forth under Demacia’s shining banner. The accolades in praise of her exemplary work. The absolute love for her country. The emptiness of realization of what she had willingly grown to love.

Like that's some scary shit right there. 1984 style imo.

Never read it, I'm afraid. Heard much about it.

I'll tell you one thing: as much as Rumble dislikes Demacia, I'm pretty sure he hates Noxus just as much, if not moreso. Am I the only one who remembers that Noxus is apparently quite racist against yordles? According to the Journal of Justice, some Noxians have attempted to ban all yordles from their city-state and referred to them as a "contamination". Do note also that we've had yordles affiliated with Bandle City, Demacia, Ionia, and Piltover, but never from Noxus. In fact, it was the Noxian treatment of Veigar when he was imprisoned that caused him to go insane and turn evil.

Then again, Noxians have been shown to be racist in general, not just against yordles. Other examples include the barbarians of Freljord ("barbarian pacification campaign") and the minotaurs.

edited 10th Jul '12 9:51:26 PM by Mirrinus

Well this is where lore-nerds like myself do this.

-turns up nose-

WELL GOOD DAY THEN SIR.

jk jk

I'm sure Noxus would be fine with them if they kicked enough ass. Noxus seems to be like that.

To be honest, I find a lot of Noxus' lore to be rather inconsistent with their philosophy. It seems Riot just wanted to make them generic bad guys a lot of the time.

But then, it's under new leadership now! >:D

edited 10th Jul '12 9:51:52 PM by rabbitRider

Yes, I cannot wait to see what happens with that. It's entirely true Noxus mostly seemed like a large numbers of flagrant dicks until the recent Jo J straightened things out a bit. Hopefully Swain will be more pragmatic.

-cough-

So yeah...

This thing.

What's this nonsense about Demacia being nicer than Noxus.

Puh-lease. The only difference between Noxus and Demacia is that Demacia took the time to send you a properly written,incensed-with-rose-perfume declaration of war before hitting you in the balls with a sledgehammer.

I personally think that Noxus is just a lot more gray and morally ambiguous than Demacia, which is why I like it. Even though much of the lore presents them as stereotypically evil and doesn't seem to follow their philosophy (Viktor gets updated Jayce lore, why not Noxus /qq) , the philosophy itself isn't bad per say, it's simply a harsh version of a "true" meritocracy based on strength. I find it much more interesting and ambiguous. There are many ways in which it's philosophy can be interpreted and implemented, and it produces some very interesting character and conflicts.

And of course, sometimes it's "lolz evulzzzzzz" when Riot needs it to be.

Also, how do we have more pro-Noxus characters? This seems like a much more complex conflict than just Noxus vs Demacia. Sure, we have only one Demacian(Vuther's guy), and we only have only two Noxians(Swain and Drakkar(w/e his name is, too lazy right now)). Then we have two Yordles of Bandle City, two Piltover champs, and a Freljord champ. Also Veigar, who is one the side of Veigar. I mean, maybe once city-states start taking sides then allegiances will start to come out, but until then I don't really see more pro-Noxus people.

edited 12th Jul '12 12:15:09 AM by rabbitRider

I believe it tends to be less Noxus as EEEEEVULZ and more Noxians who can be EEEEVULZ. The governing style of Noxus leads to unwatched extremes. I also think it would tend to cause 'grand plan' problems with the general setup of the nation, which is why some people lorewise want to return it lorewise. Most of the replacements in Noxus would be uprisings, which tend to bring far more radical changes. Imagine if you changed the lead engineer every week while designing a city with no blueprints. That is sort of how I imagine noxus.

The lore's also given a lot of implications Demacia has plenty of potential for moral ambiguity too, but it hasn't really acted it out too much yet, aside from Lux's conscription which I pointed out was the actions of her parents and representative of the city-state. Also, we all know J4 totally didn't Leeroy Jenkins and attack Swain because it was LeBlanc.

edited 12th Jul '12 5:32:20 AM by VutherA

The problem with Demacia's moral ambiguity is that it PRETENDS that it isn't. They think they are pure and righteous with Noxus being evil. Noxus clings to its ideals and figures itself superior but it is pretty obvious that they aren't "good." Noxus does not try to hide the nasty things it does, it's just part of their philosophy.

And when I said we had more people on the side of Noxus I was talking about this one tiny conflict regarding the Howling Marshes. Most of us are either neutral or pro-Noxus/anti-Demacia.

edited 12th Jul '12 8:08:39 AM by BlueChernabog

Yeah the fact Demacia is like "We're the good guys!" and Noxus is "We're dicks but we don't care what you think.". probably affects the opinion of a lot of people who don't read into it very deeply.

edited 12th Jul '12 12:49:58 PM by VutherA

Never quite knew where that 'Noxus is evulz' thing came from.

I don't think Noxus and Demacia are THAT different, except for cosmetic differences.

In both city-states,the political power is held by a tiny fraction of the population that uses the conscripted masses as cannon-fodder.

The main difference is that there is a higher turnover rate in the Noxian ruling class due to the possibility of beheading the guy in charge at the moment to take his place.

Though I think that the whole ' assassinate-to-go-up-the-social-ladder' thing only applies to the Noxian aristocracy. It would be damn nigh impossible to rule Noxus if all the lower classes murdered each other for pebbles and peas. The violence is most likely contained to acceptable levels by the higher-ups.

Noxians are people,too. They need to eat, drink, sleep, have a home and a job.

The more I think about Noxus, the more I see it as the Roman Empire. Don't know why it didn't strike me earlier.

Also, Swain is Caesar.

Yeah, the problem is that Riot has never highlighted that. Noxus has been a malicious antagonist tons of times, yet Demacia remains pretty much "we're all fine and good people". Also, didn't realize you meant that issue. Imo that's just because this is clearly naked hostility and expansionism on the part of Demacia.

Which, I might add, seems more true to what we've heard of Demacia than what we've actually seen of Demacia in the game lore.

Ok I really need someone to prod Aela into finishing her character so I can close signups (temporarily at least) and begin the story.

So Swain is the dude that cuts through the abuses of the aristocracy and compromises his own morality and ethics to make life better for the common people? I like that idea.

That's an interesting and valid interpretation, but I saw it more as 'consolidate his political power with the support of the poors and Noxian veterans that served under his command'.

Though I don't think any of the interpretations here negates the other one.

Well it has to be a bit of both. But, Caesar was part of the group that he was striking down. He was part of the aristocracy, if he wanted he could have lived a comfortable life without shaking things up. Of course, then he also could have just recognized another way of getting MASSIVE amounts of power.

Oh wait, we were talking about Swain? Yeah, I don't really read the lore. Have no idea what he is all about.

edited 12th Jul '12 4:04:10 PM by BlueChernabog