Tropes vs Women in Video Games

This one I don't agree with. It shouldn't matter if you know what the quest was or not. The fact that none of the writers agreed it was a good idea should suffice.

Theres no context though. Was it an inappropriate joke? A full on rape scene? Implied rape? What?

Actually, it kinda does. I can't make an honest judgement about something unless I know the details myself.

You're not supposed to make a judgment on it. They feel it was creepier than they wanted to put in their story. Doesn't matter if you approve or not.

Then I'm free to not applaud them for it if they refuse to give any details.

For all we know, this is a complete fabrication in an attempt to get some positive press.

edited 5th Dec '12 3:47:18 AM by Thorn14

As I already said, that's a valid response. But it has nothing to do with details of the decision, because that's a subjective trap.

For example, there was a guy in another thread who saw nothing creepy about spooning a drunken girl in half-sleep until she agreed to have sex with him. Other people did.

The way I'm reading it is that a member of the writing team spoke up about something that was off in the writing, and then a part of creepy writing was not implemented in the game. Well done, writers, you have earned your pay (unlike some of your colleagues in the industry).

Now if only Gaider could solve the thousands of other problems with his awful writing.

"Characters die only when we say they do!"

That is exactly what I just said. I can't make a judgement about it without knowing the details so I won't. I'm not going to criticize them but I'm also not going to give them any kudos. If they were willing to tell us what the quest was that is so questionable, I may very well agree with them.

edited 5th Dec '12 3:57:45 AM by Talby

Which is fine in and of itself. I don't think anyone's trying to make value judgements over the scene (or any other in question), but rather use the anecdote to talk about industry trends.

edited 5th Dec '12 4:37:10 AM by Nicknacks

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Not seeing the DA 3 event there as a positive sort of confuses me. Scrutinizing a success story like that seems... Odd. Is all I'll say.

If I were to speculate about the scene in question, it'd probably have something to do with possession or being made Tranquil, or other assault/possession metaphors that the series has a tendency to indulge in.

The series hasn't shied away from that kind of thing in the past though, so it makes me wonder how this case was different.

Must have been cut from the 3rd Dragon Age game then.

Again, why does it matter whether or not you know the content of the scene? As Thorn said, you can make the argument that the whole thing is fake and made up, which is fine. But, you can make that same argument even if you knew exactly what the scene was. Which is why it isn't the point.

edited 5th Dec '12 5:47:24 AM by KingZeal

Do you seriously not understand why it's impossible to form an opinion on something you have no knowledge of?

Never stopped Tumblr.

In this case? Yes. Because what you specifically want to form an opinion on is not only subjective, but irrelevant.

Let me put it in perspective: someone excitedly says "I found my One True Love! We're going to get married next month!"

You say: "Hm. I'll reserve judgment until I see what they look like."

>False equivalence

Okay.

Again. Accusation without explanation.

A proper equivalence would be calling a movie that was scrapped before release as totes awesome.

Forming an opinion on something subjective? Unthinkable!

Seriously, I'm not even sure what you're arguing for now.

nah, it would be calling a movie scene that was scrapped before the release of the film awesome- waaaait, would that really be equivalent? i thought the da3 example was that the scrapping itself was awesome, not the scene that was scrapped...

hmmm~

edited 5th Dec '12 6:06:44 AM by Tarsen

Exactly this.

The point being made is that the Bioware development team were able to make improvements to the way they wanted a story told thanks to a diverse input. Whether or not we agree is pointless, because it's ultimately the story they wanted to tell.

In the same way, if someone tells you they've found true love and are happy about it, whether or not you approve of the person's looks isn't relevant.

edited 5th Dec '12 6:07:39 AM by KingZeal

The point is, you can't know how if at all crass/offensive something is without actually seeing it.

And in this specific case, we don't have to know. They felt it was, as it wasn't the way they wanted to tell the story.