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Deadlock Clock: Aug 10th 2012 at 11:59:00 PM
WaxingName from Everywhere Since: Oct, 2010
#201: Dec 7th 2012 at 9:05:35 PM

I did my best to take out the bad examples.

Now, I'm actually considering making a separate trope for when characters in-universe don't know someone's race. I see that many of the examples on the page are of this type, and I personally believe that's a separable concept from Ambiguously Brown.

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MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#202: Dec 8th 2012 at 5:15:41 AM

Wouldn't it be a case of Invoked Trope, or something like that?

And I suppose this would be covered by a different trope, then?

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WaxingName from Everywhere Since: Oct, 2010
#203: Dec 8th 2012 at 3:31:23 PM

[up]Actually, the reason I'm leaning towards making a trope for that is because Ambiguously Brown serves a purely aesthetic purpose, while characters not knowing the nationality of a character serves a narrative purpose.

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captainpat Since: Sep, 2010
#204: Dec 11th 2012 at 9:47:41 PM

The trope description definitely gonna need more than just a list of what it's not.

WaxingName from Everywhere Since: Oct, 2010
#205: Dec 12th 2012 at 9:29:51 AM

[up]It's a list of what it's not because this trope is defined by what it's not. That's why it's called Ambiguously Brown.

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NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#206: Dec 16th 2012 at 4:34:06 PM

I changed the first part a bit to remove the references to animation (since it doesn't seem to be a central part of the trope) and make sure that it's defined right at the start of the page.

Also, shouldn't we put the "checklist" in comments, so that people reading-but-not-editing the page don't have to see it?

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WaxingName from Everywhere Since: Oct, 2010
#207: Dec 16th 2012 at 4:37:43 PM

[up]We'll only comment it out once misuse dies down. Currently it needs to be at this level of visibility. Also, it's a good sum-up for those who are reading anyway.

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KJMackley Since: Jan, 2001
#208: Dec 16th 2012 at 6:39:47 PM

Even if you are not an editor it helps to have such definitive guidelines to show what does and does not count as the trope. Now there is a difference between that and the taboo against notices that explicitly say "There has been significant misuse of this trope so for editors remember..." because it draws you into the wiki politics rather than keeping it about the trope.

With only a little rewriting you can remove the current "subject to misuse" line and everything works fine... which I think I will go ahead and do.

edited 16th Dec '12 6:41:38 PM by KJMackley

Kernigh Since: Sep, 2012
#209: Dec 19th 2012 at 8:31:59 PM

Because Ambiguously Brown only covers non-white characters, I looked around for a trope about ambiguously white characters, and found Non-Specifically Foreign. That trope contrasts itself with But Not Too Foreign, a trope for characters who are part native, part foreign.

I would like to declare that Ambiguously Brown is a subtrope of Non-Specifically Foreign. Am I correct?

shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#210: Dec 19th 2012 at 10:14:52 PM

You are incorrect. It is a sister trope. Non-Specifically Foreign requires that the character be foreign. If the work is set somewhere that the Ambiguously Brown person is from, they aren't foreign.

edited 19th Dec '12 10:15:04 PM by shimaspawn

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