Sexism and Men's Issues

Bringing this back to the topic, drinking is one of many contests that men like to use to prove who has the biggest dick. Don't let other guys shame you into drinking more than you should or even at all if you don't want to.

But seriously, I do think every man and woman should try it at least once just to get an understanding of what it feels like. Anyone might spike a drink for any number of reasons. Men don't have as much to worry about regarding date-rape drugs^Hey! Which is not to say it never happens, mind you, but a bro slipping a bit of vodka into your Dr. Pepper because he thinks you need to loosen up? That's a thing that happens, and not having the presence of mind to recognize the effect and go, "Oh shit, there's alcohol in this," can lead to some very bad things.

edited 21st Jun '16 11:14:13 AM by TobiasDrake

Seeing how Alcohol makes me kinda nauseous even smelling it and even attempting to drink a 'girly drink' like a Smirnoff Ice makes almost makes me seriously want to puke, no thank you.

I have been straight up called 'not a man' and worse for my refusal to drink too, by both sexes.

Someone has attempted to spike my drink before, I noticed asap as I spat it out in his face and puked on his shoes. Not friends with that person anymore.

edited 21st Jun '16 11:40:27 AM by Memers

Have you had that responce to call kind of booze? If so then fair enough, I know I don't like larges, most wine (I can tolerate red or very clear white) and just kinda out up with vodka and Coke, I do however tend to enjoy fruity cocktails, Pimms is a big one for me, also proper dark ales (like I had in the Czech Republic) can be nice.

If you'd oth want to drink though it's not a big deal, it's your choice and sod anyone who tries to tell you otherwise.

I've seen it suggested (by a girl to another girl) to spike a guy's drink with viagra before, and I know of an incident where a guy got two other guys drunk then either spiked their drinks of pushed them into taking viagra/some other sex drug, the guy in control then took some stuff himself and pushed/made the two guys have sex with his drugged and drunk girlfriend.

To this day I still don't know how to categorise the two guys and what happened to them.

Memers, I have the same response to alcohol. It just makes me want to gag unless it's been cooked to the point where the alcohol is gone.

The Alcohol thread is this way, guys.

Huh, I didn't know that would start that conversation.

Either which way I don't quite trust the idea of going to a party that isn't a party of friends. Too much unknowns there and I have already been sexually harassed enough

Women getting upset over men not responding to their advances is a prime example of how gender roles and expectations screw everybody. If a woman takes it upon herself to hit on a guy and the guy makes it clear he isn't interested, it's is indeed extremely common for the woman to get upset. Because as a guy, he's supposed to always be horny, and, given that, turning her down is, in her mind, telling her that she's not attractive. Women often have this mindset because society does, in fact, tell them that they have to be attractive. If she can't get the drooling horndog that is frequently our socially conditioned image of the average guy interested, than what does that do to her self-worth?

Also is the fact we let slide a lot of expectation because that is not our role in sociaty, just like men think women have more power because in theory they can no giving them more power(really, one guy said this is the reason there is not such thing as Madonna-Whore complex) in link case woman tend to see their sexuality as joke, something harmless and men should be gracefull, while men sexuality is right now in this weird mix of being something dirty but also imposible to get rid off

Which is wrong as guys, like gals, have varying times when they feel horny.

I mean I for example, despite being a young man of the age were perverted, dirty horndog behavior is expected, do not feel lust no where near constantly or even consistently.

For men, the importance of safe sex may depend on how hot their partner is

Stay safe.◊

The last thing the Imperium wants is less people to throw at their enemies.

That's actually biologically sound. People being attractive has a basis in how good their genes are, which would correlate to where you would want to spread your genes. And since safe sex prevents that...

It says Terra. Which is mostly inhabited by the Ecclesiarchy and assortments of bureaucrats. Wait a minute...

edited 22nd Jun '16 10:33:25 AM by TerminusEst

Quite. It's something we've discussed before in the Women's Issues thread: part of the reason men are reluctant to use a condom is that even if it's a really good condom that doesn't influence the physical feeling of sex much, sex still feels better on an emotional level if the condom isn't present. It's more psychologically fulfilling, which is rooted in the instinctive reproduction drive.

There's a huge reluctance among men to use condoms because the same instincts that compel us to bang a woman are also going, "What. No. Why are you putting that on? That defeats the purpose. Don't do that." Even if a man doesn't actually want kids, centuries of genetic conditioning do, and it's a responsibility men have to quiet that voice and do it anyway if they don't intend to reproduce.

It's only natural that the instinct's strength increases in direct proportion to the strength of the attraction.

edited 22nd Jun '16 10:51:15 AM by TobiasDrake

I, uh, have to say I find that logic a bit dubious. Your reproductive instincts are, well, instinctive. I don't think your instincts know what a condom is. Or that it will prevent fertilisation from occurring.

How conception works and what a condom does are knowledge that a person has to learn. I don't think it crosses over into genetically coded behaviour. Evolution doesn't really work that way.

So you're saying your mouth will never start to water if you see something you've learned tastes good?

Some people legitimately don't get that. In the same way some people are legitimately not that interested, full stop.

The ends of the bell-curve exist with every aspect of being people. Including physiological triggers most people believe are vital for continued existence (well, they can be — which is why people die when they are unfortunate to e.g. get born with cystic fibrosis or congenital insensitivity to pain in the C16th).

People get born with different triggers all the damn time.

edited 24th Jun '16 5:55:16 AM by Euodiachloris

I don't think that's really the same thing.

A reluctance to engage in non-reproductive sex is probably an psychological thing, instilled in individuals by culture. Not instinctual, not inherent. That's not to say it isn't the reason men don't like condoms; just that it isn't some kind of natural evolutionarily ordained drive. Condoms have existed for, what, a couple hundred years at most? That is not enough time for your natural instincts to have developed an aversion to them.

Why do people do things like same-sex sexual activity and masturbation? You'd think your 'instincts' would know that's not productive to continuing the species and stop you, right? Wrong! It's a lot messier than that.

There's just a certain attitude wrapped up in that argument that I don't like because it misunderstands what evolution through natural selection is. Everyone always talks about evolution as if it's guided, as if it has a purpose, when that's not true.

Sometimes things that are absolutely counterproductive end up evolving and persisting, because evolution is not LOGICAL. It's messy. It's a random system. It doesn't 'make sense'. People have a tendency to talk about it like it knows what it's doing. It does not.

edited 24th Jun '16 6:11:07 AM by LoniJay

Look up "blind idiot god".

Do you mean to bring that up as trivia or as a counterargument?

It's a reflexive and involuntary reaction based on knowledge, so I think it's the same thing. Psychology is not completely divorced from instinct.

That's pretty much all I can actually respond to, since the rest is irrelevant to what I said. No one has said anything about evolution having a purpose, or about instincts stopping you from doing some arbitrary actions you've decided are against the continuation of the species, or an aversion specific to condoms.

And if you really want to be specific, I said it was sound, not that it was true. I don't claim to know what it actually is that makes people tick, but I do know what sound reasoning is.

And, I studied for a Psychology degree. BSc. Sure, instincts exist, but I don't think they work the way you think they work.

And, culture repurposes them all the time. <_< Seriously: we underestimate cultural effects on behaviour. It's easy to see something we do as instinctual, when the roots are actually... rather more learned that we suspect. Culture gets in there before we hit the age of two.

edited 24th Jun '16 7:38:25 AM by Euodiachloris

I don't think I think the way you think I think. Not even sure what you're trying to argue (or argue against) there.

There are some men for whom a condom significantly reduces their ability to enjoy sex, as it reduces what sensations they feel. For others, there's no significant difference. People also have a tendency to think that their own experiences are universal ("I experience diminished sensation when using a condom, so if you say you don't then you must be lying" "No, YOU must be lying"). Seriously, that's one of the major bars to constructive dialogue, the refusal to believe that one's own experience isn't universal.

And then there are the poor folks who are allergic to latex...

This could be your sig.

Speaking of male contraceptive, how's the male pill coming along? Any news?

Still under clinical trials but it will be a long way until it hits the shelves since it needs to be approved by the drug and medicine agencies.