Splinter Cell: Black List (sequel to Conviction)

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I've been liking where this series has been going since Chaos Theory. I really need to go back and play Conviction.

From what I remember of the ending it seemed like Sam would be in bad with the government, but this video has him working for the government.

edited 4th Jun '12 12:21:24 PM by NULLcHiLD27

"I really need to go back and play Conviction."

Ya don't need to. You really don't need to.

So you're one of those "This isn't Splinter Cell" people, huh?

Look, it's a Splinter Cell game whether you like it or not. You can grumble with your copy of Pandora Tomorrow til the end of time and it doesn't change the fact that it was a Splinter Cell game and it was a good one too.

edited 4th Jun '12 12:37:19 PM by NULLcHiLD27

It had the name splinter cell.

Thats it.

Just like this one.

Good lord they don't even have freaking Ironside in this...

I'm so sorry that they didn't decide to stagnate and make the same game over and over again.

Keeping the same genre doesn't make something stagnant.

Or is Mario stagnant?

This is more stagnant in the sense it plays like your average third person shooter now which is flooding the market than it does stealth (which is almost dead)

Also why is Sam younger in this and voiced by someone else? Do they honestly just dont care?

edited 4th Jun '12 1:00:45 PM by Thorn14

Splinter Cell Conviction was just like the games that preceded it except they added some new things. The way you and others are acting is that, because they added some features and gave you more options or because it's not exactly like the first games, it's suddenly ruined forever.

But, whatever, I can waste my time with something better than arguing with a wall.

edited 4th Jun '12 1:05:22 PM by NULLcHiLD27

Its not that they added features, its that they changed the tone and play style which made it so much fun in the first place.

Nullchild, Conviction is pretty inexpensive now. Or rent it.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/06/05/e3-2012-why-michael-ironside-wont-return-for-splinter-cell-blacklist

Ugh.

... I thought he looked and sounded younger. That just REEKS of dumb.

Well to be fair you could just not use the mark-n-kill thingy in Conviction, then you could play like the first few games.

Damn, I was hoping that the voice was just a placeholder until they could get Ironside to the VA work, but they're actually not gonna use him just because of Mo-Cap concerns?! Why can't they have another guy do the phyiscal stunts while Ironside does the facial animations to compensate?!

EDIT: BTW, I am TOTALLY ok with the new Splinter Cell using the ideas from Conviction. That game had a kickass co-op campaign, and the change of feeling from being hunted to hunter style felt great (though it was odd to see Sam suddenly become some nimble ninja between games despite his age).

edited 4th Jun '12 10:24:04 PM by SgtRicko

It's strange that people are still surprised/complained about Ubisoft changing the gameplay types of its Clancy games when it started doing this since RS: Lockdown...probably earlier...really though if you don't like it it's just easier to quit it altogether...

Not saying that it's a good practice (I do enjoy Conviction, but still want the older stealth aspects to be in), but really...

On the game: a bit surprised he got back to the gov...and wha about what happens at the end of Conviction?

edited 4th Jun '12 10:34:33 PM by onyhow

The game did not change genre, it changed the kind of stealth it used.

Pre-Conviction Splinter Cell was basically hide and try to slip past people undetected.

Conviction changed over to the more modern hunter-stealth, which basically made you feel like Batman.

I see nothing wrong with this.

I'm hoping they don't ditch that whole Mehgiddo plotline from the end of Conviction. Because as it stands Reed, the new NSA director, was not the one in charge or even planned the whole coup in the first place.

I enjoyed Conviction somewhat, but no Michael Ironside? No deal.

Talby: ...This.

Are you guys seriously saying that Conviction was mostly the same as the earlier games? It's not "an evolution" or something, it outright removed features. You were no longer able to move bodies, deal with enemies non-lethally, or even complete sections undetected.

Conviction was essentially a third person shooter - Blacklist is literally a third person shooter, and one that already has DLC planned at that.

I have to agree that without Ironside Sam doesn't feel like Sam anymore.

After the ending of conviction I thought they would either bury the series or Fischer(if only metaphorically) but they didn't do that. A shame, I think it'd be a good idea if they did just that, it's not like people are going to complain about Fisher not being in if the gameplay is nothing like the old ones anyway.

Anyway, when I first saw news of the game I was excited because it LOOKED like they were going back to the gameplay of the old ones, even if not completely but now I'm kind of disappointed. I hated Conviction, and not just because it had nothing to do with the old games, but because I didn't find anything good about the game, the plot was meh, the gameplay was meh, the setpieces were meh, the game was simply too boring and I don't think the new gameplay style was well thought out. Still, it looks less boring than conviction IMO.

I really don't get why Ironside is so important.

Maybe it's because we're used to him voicing sam, it's annoying to hear someone who doesn't sound anything like what we used to know.

Also, from what I heard the new guy sounds way boring compared to Michael's very recognizable voice(wich just makes the above worse).

Can you imagine Solid Snake without David Hayter ?

Certain voices are iconic for some characters and its why they became so memorable.

I wouldn't be surprised if Michael Ironside actually declined to return to voice Sam and they just came up with the mo-cap reason. He was already playing hardball back before Conviction came out, saying that if they didn't start doing something actually interesting with Fisher's character, he'd quit the role.