LGBTQ+ Rights and Religion

My favorite part:

"'and of course the whole premise of this is that within an evolutionary construct there is no real problem with speciation and cross-species mating, there’s no problem with that at all, in fact that’s how you evolve, that’s how you get evolution, and so the end result of course is that evolution has no basic problem with bestiality or cross-species mating.'"

That's some............interesting logic you got there.

edited 6th Jul '13 6:03:28 PM by lonesomepaire

Someone ought to tell them that from an evolutionary point of view, cross-species mating isn't a very good idea because humans can't breed with other species.

I just..what..I dont even..huh?

Superman and all the others have probably fought Christians before too. What with Christians making up the largest religion on the Earth. I don't know how that even makes sense.

edited 6th Jul '13 6:23:14 PM by Ringsea

I'd point out the X-Men have explicitly fought christians.

But then again, said christians were the PURIFIERS.

Come to think of it. Swanson would love those guys.

I wonder how he'd react to Nightcrawler.

DEMON!

Or CATHOLIC!

I'm wondering how he knows the supervillains in the Shezow universe are Christians.

edited 6th Jul '13 7:27:21 PM by Morgikit

Because all people he hates hate him back.

I still can't believe someone is getting their panties in a twist over a boy in drag. It's just one mildly tasteless joke; though people in my church once chewed me out for playing a dogfighting simulator(a little thing called pokemon)

Offended people will always find a way to be offended. I prefer to go by the words of Mr. Niven "There is no cause so good that one cannot find an idiot following it."

edited 6th Jul '13 7:44:05 PM by GlassPistol

Yep, most of the very liberal people have already left the church a long time ago. It's a lot harder to get new people in than it is to keep the people you have. They might have more people who'd abandon for homophobia within the UK, but the Co E (well the Archbishop of Canterbury) also leads the wider Anglican community, which includes a large number of African churches. Also there's the complication of the fact that while the Archbishop is head of the Anglican community, he has no actual power over the other churches, they are all fully autonomous. In the end, I think it comes down to the fact that he (well the church leadership) values keeping the African Churches within the Anglican Community over gay rights.

Either way it's pretty bad, I don't for a moment deny that.

Edit: I'm looking at the page on the wider Anglican community (technically called the Anglican Communion) right now. It's split into 38 Churches/regions. You've got England; Pakistan; Wales; Burundi; Australia; Provinces of the Indian Ocean; Aotearoa, New Zealand and Polynesia; Japan; Brazil; USA; Jerusalem and the Middle East; Canada; Hong Kong; Southern Africa; Sudan; Philippines; Congo; Kenja; Burma; Melanesia; Scotland; Bangladesh; West Indies; Korea; Papua New Guinea; Nigeria; Central America; Southern Cone of America; Rwanda; Central Africa; North India; South India; South East Asia; West Africa; Ireland; Uganda; Tanzania and Mexico.

So yeah, that's the Co Es problem, it's not just trying to keep the people in the Church of England happy, it's trying to keep the people in all those other 37 churches happy. As you can see, that list includes several countries where homosexuality is viewed as an abomination, or where there will be serious competition with the Catholic Church. Some of those churches might split if the Co E backed gay marriage, either because they believe homosexuality is an abomination, or because they believe that being associated with a Co E that backs gay marriage hurts them to much (via driving away their own homophobic membership).

I still think that the Co E should grow some balls and tell them to go if they want, but I can understand why they don't.

edited 7th Jul '13 3:15:32 AM by Silasw

So he'd rather pander to backwards thinking people he has no authority over in the first place than deal with reality? The more I know about this guy, the more I dislike him.

Pretty much, as has been said, the Co Es main priority is keeping itself and the Anglican Communion healthy. Everything else comes second. The Anglican Communion is still officially one group, like the Catholic Church, but each part of the Communion has full autonomy, and within each of those parts there will be plenty of division and disagreement.

His (well the church's) priority is keeping the Anglican Communion together, if that means pandering to homophobes in Africa, Asia and South America, well they see it as a sacrifice worth making.

I agree with you, it doesn't paint a pretty picture of the Church leadership. Frankly, they're a bunch of cowards who put their own preservation above what's right. I'm not going to try and hide that.

You know, they could've shut down the teacher without resorting to a bunch of cherry-picked verses that completely ignore so much else.

But.....if that got the tutor off their back, then I suppose no harm, no foul.

I think that one's called beating them at their own game. It's all well and good to have reasoned arguments with people willing to listen to them, but if people start just throwing bible verses sometimes you just gotta return fire.

Or the teacher could have not harassed students for their sexual orientation. I doubt that's in her job description.

That was the point... They were illustrating exactly how pointless and stupid it is to use random singe sentence bible versus for morality.

Hm. I suppose.

I think you're just trying to pick a fight. It's not gonna happen, we've had a meeting and no one is going to raise to your bait until we get the next chapter of Star Trek: Trope Darkness.

Should I be honored or scared that my fan fic is popular enough to warrant threats of shunning?

yes

You should publish them on the fanfic board in addition to the LGBT threads.

The what?

If someone want's to re-read them, or heard rumors of their supreme entertainment value they may want to read them without wading through 500+ pages of this thread and where ever else you have posted them. I was thinking [1] could be the most appropriate place to gather them.