LGBTQ+ Rights and Religion

I have a question. If your government legitimized homosexual marriage, would you care whether or not the Church accepted religious homosexual marriage?

I'd like them to, of course, but there's no way to force them too.

Why get married at a church that's being forced to marry you?

There will always be a church that will do it gladly or willingly, and non-church marriages exist.

edited 26th Apr '13 6:00:27 AM by DrTentacles

I wouldn't really care no, as long as they still could go and get a marriage as easy as heterosexual couples.

because you feel you have a point to prove.

....Yes.

All Homosexuals just want to rub their marriage in religious people's faces. That's the real reason they're getting married.

The only reason anyone gets married is to rub it in people faces

edited 26th Apr '13 6:26:06 AM by joeyjojo

Erm..no. Most people get married because they at least believe they love someone and want to spend a lifetime with them (even if in a lot of cases theyre probably misreading their own emotions)

If Gays and gay supporters like me want to rub it in relkigion's face, its only out of spite borne of years of watching "moral guardians" preach to me about how any gay friends I have dont deserve the same respect and rights as me because their personal interpretation of a book I dont even care about sez so.

Self-thumped.

edited 26th Apr '13 9:58:50 AM by TheStarshipMaxima

You know that isn't why they want to do it right? This entire movement is about equality.

edited 26th Apr '13 8:55:14 AM by Wildcard

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Gay marriage is not about "sticking it to the man". If specific churches don't want to marry a couple, they don't have to.

Self-thumped

edited 26th Apr '13 9:59:03 AM by TheStarshipMaxima

Most gay people are for gay marriage because they want the benefits of marriage they feel they deserve, that is all. I feel they deserve it too.

Do straight people get married to stick it to gay people?

That's ridiculous. Virtually nobody gets hitched just for the sake of making a political statement. I know there are people who support gay marriage just because they want gay people and straight people to be treated as equals, but in all my time actually within the gay community, I have never heard of an actual couple who was only getting married for those reasons. If you've seen that, you've probably been shown isolated cases of such people to make you think that's what gay marriage is about and/or you've seen isolated cases of that and you assumed that that's what a significant amount of gay couples who want to get married are in it for because it supports your own politics.

You are literally suggesting that there are significant amounts of people who have no love for each other who would get married to each other solely to make a statement.

I don't think people should be able to set limitations on secular institutions to flaunt their alledged moral superiority.

Some might.

One thing which really annoys me about the religious aspect of homophobia is that it goes against the whole 'love thy neighbour' thing. However, according to a Christian friend of mine, the Golden Rule isn't necessarily the most important rule. Is he right?

@Haldo: Well there are people like that, they just aren't a lot of them and they definitely aren't exclusive to the gay community.

Fact is the gay movement is about equality, it is about making the law fair for everyone. If more widespread gay acceptance spreads among individuals it will be great, but it isn't the main goal.

edited 26th Apr '13 9:25:10 AM by Wildcard

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edited 26th Apr '13 9:58:28 AM by TheStarshipMaxima

Yes they have the right too, just as we have the right to strike those arguments down as irrelevant or argue against them.

Honestly traditional marriage as defined in America has always been an unfair, unequal practice that should be changed for a better future for all. Changing it in the states that don't allow it will lead to gay people being happier, having the same benefits as a straight couple, and will not harm anybody who is against it.

edited 26th Apr '13 9:40:21 AM by Wildcard

If anyone seriously thinks that gay marriage is all about "sticking it to the man", they're completely missing the point. What some individual couples to does not characterize the entire movement.

I apologize. Will edit.

Has traditional marriage in America always had it's basis in Judeo Christian practices?

Well, considering the founders were predominantly influenced by Judeo Christian beliefs, I'd say marriage and most of our society probably was based on that.

How much of that is true though, and how much of that is the watered down version of history they teach in school?

To my knowledge it's the actual truth. Unless the first settlers weren't mainly Puritans and Pilgrims, and they didn't come from England which was a heavily Protestant country at the time.