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Edited by Mrph1 on Dec 1st 2023 at 6:52:14 PM
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DAMN Jhimmi, you should have a fire extinguisher handy if you're going to pass out burns like that.
Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.
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It's not exactly a bad thing if a denomination doesn't regularly blow up the news with controversy.
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Scion of the Dragon
So, the new Pope was elected today.
I'm not up to date on this development at all, what are his views on Homosexuality exactly?
"You are never taller then when standing up for yourself"
Against gay marriage, against gay adoption, against gay priests even if they are celibate.
They are a big abomination.
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To my knowledge, he's against it.
Scion of the Dragon
....Is is truly to much to ask that the RCC listen to their own "live and let live"/"vengence is mine sayath the lord"/mind-your-own-fucking-house-before-throwing-stones doctrine?
edited 13th Mar '13 8:19:11 PM by LMage
"You are never taller then when standing up for yourself"
NOT THE BEES
His views on homosexuality are the same as the entire conclave. This wasn't exactly one of the topics up for debate.
Scion of the Dragon
It should have been. How can an organization that closes all discussion on such a relative topic be expected to change? In any aspect not just about homosexuality.
Discourse is the driving engine behind improvement.
"You are never taller then when standing up for yourself"
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I don't think they want to change. They wholeheartedly believe they are 100% right, why would they want to?
NOT THE BEES
The Vatican is nowhere near that end of the scale of progressivism. They're not going to magically change their mind on homosexuality before placing any of the building blocks that lead up to it (celibacy, ordaining women, contraception). I mean really now — I'd be as happy as anyone here if they did it, but let's at least have something approaching realistic expectations.
Scion of the Dragon
Sorry, I'm just so....bitter that there was such fanfare over such a frankly abhorrent organization's change in leadership. We need to stop trumpeting things like a new Pope so loudly. All it does is help their influence.
"You are never taller then when standing up for yourself"
NOT THE BEES
We make a lot of fanfare over the changes of leadership in our own government, which impoverishes entire countries including most of its own population, repeatedly funds bloody coups, sets up puppet governments, and has a direct personal profit stake in industries that commit outright genocide.
Look, I sympathize with the fact that you're personally targeted by one of the Catholic Church's major failings. I can't imagine what that must be like, and I want them to stop. But it's easy to lose perspective while picking enemies, even when you're right. Beams in the eye and all.
edited 13th Mar '13 9:14:28 PM by Pykrete
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I'm researching the new Pope's views on homosexuality. I thought people were exaggerating when they said he thought same-sex marriage was a satanic plot, but:
Jeez.
edited 13th Mar '13 9:15:40 PM by Lascoden
boop
He is from Latin America, Argentina of all places. He's known for possible connection to the Dirty Wars too.
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Isn't same-sex marriage legal in Argentina?
No idea. I would think no, but I could be wrong.
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According to Wikipedia, it is as of 2010. In fact, it seems that quote above came from Bergoglio's unsuccessful campaign to beat the bill that legalized it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage_in_Argentina
edited 13th Mar '13 9:27:25 PM by Lascoden
boop
NOT THE BEES
It was legalized a few years ago.
le ninja
edited 13th Mar '13 9:28:04 PM by Pykrete
Explains why he is so fundamental.
"Psssh. Even if you could catch a miracle on a picture any person would probably delete it to make space for more porn." - Aszur
Impossible Gender Forge
Sigh.
Figures.
A procrastination in of itself
Yeah as much as a "live and let live" stance pope on gay rights would be a nice thing, we aren't there yet. For now I'd be happy with a couple of "live and let live" cardinals.
As for the fact that the change of leadership was a big thing, a change of leadership in any big organisation or state (and remember the Vatican is an independent country) is a big thing, from the US to China, North Korea and anyone in between.
edited 14th Mar '13 2:53:05 AM by Silasw
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Whilst his views on homosexuality are no deviation from the Catholic norm, the optimism from more liberal perspectives is over the direction he appears to intend to take the Church in. Less emphasis on bashing gay people and abortion, more on fighting inequality and cleaning up corruption. In theory, at least, this should reduce the pressure on worldwide gay rights campaigners.
What's precedent ever done for us?
edited 12th Mar '13 6:33:34 PM by Haldo
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