Ohh! I really want to see Starship respond to this.
Happy to oblige, although I've stated this before. This is not a case of me saying "Guys take the Bible in context here but not here." People make it appear that way, but it isn't. I say "Guys, the Bible must be taken exactly as it is. If the Bible says something is wrong because it's flat-out wrong, or if it says something is allowable under certain set conditions, or if it says something was wrong but isn't any longer; then those are three separate statements, each to be taken on it's own word.
What Shima's been arguing for awhile now is something different. Shima isn't finding any passages that say "Homosexuality was
wrong, but is now allowed," or "Homosexuality is against the tribe of the Isreal." She's arriving at that point by way of questioning translations and the like. That's a different thing.
My approach is to take the Bible at face value. Her's is to question if the words on the page are the words on the page. She's entitled to that approach, it's one that many take, especially in the gay rights bloc. I do not.
When the Bible says fornication is a sin, I don't question if the Greek word for fornication really meant "sex without a condom" or "sex standing up" or "sex with your best friend's ex". I take that it means "you can't have sex with someone who's not your wife."
The Bible actually has a verse that says to the effect "He who subtracts from even a word of the Scriptures subtracts from his blessings, and he who adds even a word to Scripture adds curses to his life." Thus why I take it the way I do. It may be right, or it may be wrong, but that's my approach.
Starship, you seem to constantly say that the people you argue against are making really good points... but then you say you disagree anyway.
Well Kay, I find that people, especially the ones on this website, tend to be far too intelligent and savvy to make blatantly stupid, wrong statements. And even when they're wrong, the logic is so well thought out and so well presented, it is still good for knowledge.
Lawyerdude and Scriblerian have made erroneous statements that Christians and Christianity are the source of much of the world's misery (previously). They were wrong, but if you look at the posts, many of the statements are undeniable fact and the logic is sound, up to a point.
I know sometimes I seem like I just take the contrary view for the lulz, but I don't. I examine each argument because there's something of value when intelligent people combine heads.