LGBTQ+ Rights and Religion

Most fucking thing I've read all day. I've never seen such an adroit summation of my own feelings.

Also, Carciofus...I'll be honest, for a long time in my life I held a low opinion of Catholics. You, sir, have caused me to reevaluate them.

I told you before, and I repeat it, you remind of King Solomon who gained fame the world over for his sage advice.

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The difference is, Joe Biden isn't showing up to Lawyerdude's conference whereas Paul Ryan is going to Tony Perkins'.

We're not simply talking conservatives picking on progressives. We're talking about conservatives picking on people who differ with them with one or two issues and otherwise agree with them. Not just for religious reasons, mind. It hampers their ability to create a politically uniform culture, whom they can make money off of.

edited 18th Oct '12 8:09:16 AM by Fish1

For the record, my support for LGBTQ rights and my support for empirical rationalism are motivated by different factors. I recommend empirical rationalism (which tends to lead to atheism) as I think it's a position that benefits the people who hold it, and is a healthier way to view the world overall; if I suggest it to you, I want you to treat yourself better. I support LGBTQ rights because I find it morally reprehensible to treat people differently over their sexual orientation; if I argue this with you, I probably want you to treat other people better.

Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.

Huh?

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I'm just saying that I'm not an atheist/empirical rationalist/critic of religion because I'm an LGBTQ supporter, or vice versa. Now, the two complement each other marvelously, as I can go after Wahabi Sunnis or the Catholic Church with all guns blazing, but they only indirectly motivate each other.

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Congrats. I am a LGBTQ rights supporter because I'm a Christian. So basically....

....He's a godless pagan Taoist. He's a right-wing Bible-waving Christian. Together....They Fight Fundamentalists!

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It's always tricky determining the causality of beliefs, as while moral beliefs may be closely related, that relation may not be one of causal hierarchy. How are you sure that Christianity led to your support for LGBTQ rights, rather than your possession of a set of moral drives that separately motivated your Christianity and your LGBTQ rights support (i.e., an independent third cause)? Knowing the writers, this is going to go downhill in the fifth season.

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I don't know if anyone else has seen this, but it gives me a WAFF.

Eating a Vanilluxe will give you frostbite.

And that, ladies and gents, is what is often overlooked. Sadly. <sighs> And, it's even in Leviticus... that most abused bit of text.

Leviticus 19:18 — "Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the Lord."

If I'm going to take anything of that book out of context, it's that.

edited 18th Oct '12 9:48:04 AM by Euodiachloris

Why is it that people with a preschool level understanding of human sexuality and gender identity consider themselves experts?

Because they wanna, and they're gonna, and you can't say anything else! 'Cos I'm bigger and my Daddy had a bigger <insert any particular item of an entitlement inducing, superiority complex here> than yours! Na na na na na.

edited 18th Oct '12 9:13:40 AM by Euodiachloris

Why isn't this psychopath committed? He's clearly dangerous to children, and so are his followers.

edited 18th Oct '12 9:21:09 AM by Morgikit

Because we have Freedom of Speech and Religion here.

"I don't know how I do it. I'm like the Mr. Bean of sex." -Drunkscriblerian

You're really gonna go there? This isn't a damn funeral protest. The bastard is advocating violence against children.

He is, and I think it's atrocious, but he'll hide behind the first amendment if anyone tries to arrest him.

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick

<mandatory sardonic gloat, sadly> He'd get himself in serious trouble in the UK with those views. Clear incitement to violence. Worse, on kids. He'd really enjoy the prison time, should it warrant a custodial sentence when you add it all up.

I don't agree with that assessment of Pastor Harris's statements at all.

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Why am I not surprised, Max?

Does this "pastor" have any children? Because if something like this does not warrant a visit from Child Services, I don't know what does.

But they seem to know where they are going, the ones who walk away from Omelas.

Here's an article from a liberal evangelical about mainstream and conservative evangelicals.

Probably for the same reason I'm not surprised everyone is talking about child abuse and what a degenerate is even though that was never the point of his sermon and on top of that he explained his remarks.

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How about we here Starship's reasoning behind not agreeing with that interpretation, before we condemn him? After all I need time to dust of my condemnation gear.

Edit: There we go. I still stand that the man is a horrible person for thinking that parents should be dictating to children what their sexual preference is, likewise he's an idiot for using such bad terminology. However the link does indicate that he wasn’t advocating violence, just trying to force your child to be what they aren’t, so as to make them conform to your religious views.

edited 18th Oct '12 11:09:15 AM by Silasw

"And the Bunny nails it!" ~ Gabrael "If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we." ~ Cyran

So, the problem wasn't that you incited violence against homosexual kids, but that you weren't tactful enough in doing so.

Really.

Oh, so you meant the kind of punch that doesn't hurt? The friendly punch? The sign of affection between men who accept and respect each other?

Really.

Ah, so it's not hateful as long as you turn it into a Pavlovian signal. Nothing like passive-aggressive parenting to tell kids who are different that Mommy and Daddy love them, just remember to act the right way.

Really.

Really.

I wanna see the teen suicide rates in his area.

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Seriously? Suggesting enforcing cis-gendered, heterosexual stereotypes of your own choosing on a child... or else, feel the back of my hand! ... This isn't advocating abuse-in-the-name-of-teaching? <confused>

edited 18th Oct '12 11:14:54 AM by Euodiachloris

It's bad enough we have a pastor saying that "limp-wristed" boys should have their wrists broken. But then you feel the need to defend him? And that article just comes off as "I'm sorry I got caught and got more attention than I intended."