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randomness4 Snow Ghost from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Snow Ghost
#128926: May 12th 2024 at 7:31:43 PM

Jaco just is...not properly introduced in the series.

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#128927: May 12th 2024 at 7:48:42 PM

I really think you'd like Jaco more if you read his manga. It's very low-key and relaxing.

diddyknux (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#128928: May 13th 2024 at 12:50:59 AM

Red Hunter, come back to read this spoiler after you've watched Episode 69. (That's just a coincidence, I'm not trying to make a joke of the number). Actually, its a "filler" episode not connected to an arc, so you can watch it anytime you want.

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Yes, as you can see, comedy manga characters are basically invincible. [lol]

RedHunter543 Team Rocket Boss. Since: Jan, 2018 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#128929: May 13th 2024 at 12:56:48 AM

What? Episode 69? Which one was that?

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diddyknux (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#128930: May 13th 2024 at 1:02:44 AM

You haven't been there yet, its after the Goku Black Saga.

Edited by diddyknux on May 13th 2024 at 3:03:43 AM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#128931: May 13th 2024 at 6:27:55 AM

Ah yes. That episode.

Nothing wrong with the episode, but see for yourself.

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#128932: May 13th 2024 at 6:36:48 AM

So for some reason, I decided to watch Bojack unbound.

Pretty decent movie. I loved the premise of the intergalactic tournament and the cast participating in it. Bojack and his goons were pretty generically evil, and I have no idea why they were on Earth. Are they even space pirates? King Kai called them demons who just genocided for fun, there's no robbery mentioned. They REALLY have nothing in common with the Heeters.

Oh, and I guess some antics from Mr. Satan was kinda funny, but I vastly prefer his Buu saga and beyond self.

I think the parts I enjoyed most were the cast competing at the start, the setting, Goku encouraging Gohan, and the action was well animated.

I have no idea why the fuck the Earthlings thought Mr. Satan saved the day, when the cameras saw Gohan turn Super Saiyan 2 and just beat the shit out of Bojack. Status quo I guess.

Stupid question, but why the hell did Bojack kill his token female minion when trying to kill Gohan?

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#128933: May 13th 2024 at 6:40:02 AM

Because evil.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#128934: May 13th 2024 at 6:43:47 AM

Yeah. Pretty much because evil.

Edit: Also, Satan accidentally destroyed all the cameras before Gohan went Super Saiyan, so nobody saw the kid win the fight.

Edited by HandsomeRob on May 13th 2024 at 6:44:22 AM

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#128935: May 13th 2024 at 6:49:12 AM

Yeah they are evil, but why Earth exactly? Heck why even hijack the tournament?

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#128936: May 13th 2024 at 6:51:30 AM

For Funsies, man. For funsies.

I guess. Like, maybe it was just the first place they came across.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#128937: May 13th 2024 at 6:52:16 AM

Story needed conflict

I think they also suggest Earth is prime real estate

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miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#128938: May 13th 2024 at 6:59:50 AM

Huh from dragon ball common knowledge.

  • It's often claimed by fans that the villains for the Android Saga were originally intended to Android 19 and Dr Gero, only to then be changed to 17 and 18 due to Executive Meddling, and then again to Cell after his editor was left dissatisfied. While the part about them being changed due to complaints is true, it wasn't Toriyama's then-current editor Yu Kondo who had him change the identity of the Big Bad, but his close friend and previous editor Kazuhiko Torishima, who personally called Toriyama to complain to him about his follow-up to Freiza being "a fat guy and a geezer", then again to complain about their replacements 17 and 18 being "a pair of brats". Kondo was the one who pushed for Toriyama to change Cell's design to Perfect Cell, but he had nothing to do with the more radical changes in direction the story took.
The editor thing was two different people. I had no clue. Also man I Feel people really under play how much Torishima affected the series. It would just not exist without all of his changes he suggested.

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#128939: May 13th 2024 at 9:13:43 AM

[up][up] No, they don’t mention anything about Earth’s value. They are there just because, I guess.

Edited by RedHunter543 on May 14th 2024 at 12:13:54 AM

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Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#128940: May 13th 2024 at 10:10:06 AM

[up][up][up] and all that, just to end up Hakai'd in a gag episode.

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#128941: May 13th 2024 at 10:33:53 AM

There's an interesting bit I wish they explored, and that's how Gohan lived in the years right after Goku died.

There's a line from Chi-Chi about how she wanted Gohan to participate in the tournament because even SHE was worried about how much he was studying and she's even cheering him on.

It's wholesome but if Gohan's in a state of mind that he's worrying Chi-Chi because of studying too much, and that he's actually getting into fighting for fun, then I think Gohan has some grieving he's going through.

Like a big part of this movie is him being worried about living up to Goku. This of course was before the Buu Saga. Which means Gohan's fears of not living up to his dad's example are completely correct.

Edited by RedHunter543 on May 14th 2024 at 1:34:10 AM

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TomWithoutJerry Since: Dec, 2023
#128942: May 13th 2024 at 1:05:54 PM

[up][up][up]Torishima apparently influenced Doctor Mashirito in Dr. Slump. Read their names carefully...

randomness4 Snow Ghost from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Snow Ghost
#128943: May 13th 2024 at 5:10:36 PM

His editor did his job, I think we know that.

But most people ignore it because it doesn't come up often enough in interviews to be regurgitated frequently.

People only quote the Android arc shenanigans because it's the most notable thing...it's only notable though because Torishima wasn't his editor "at the time" and people often leave out that part as well.

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miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#128944: May 13th 2024 at 6:13:21 PM

I actually read how after the first arc. It was Torishima's idea to scale down the cast and focus on action and martial arts after declining sales from the end of 1. The tournament arc being something they came up together..

Like their wouldn't even be a series without the guy if not for That.

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randomness4 Snow Ghost from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Snow Ghost
#128945: May 13th 2024 at 6:19:21 PM

Wish it was in Toriyama's nature to scale down the cast...genuinely.

Characters coming back and them all hanging out in the anniversary specials would be way more "special".

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TomWithoutJerry Since: Dec, 2023
#128946: May 14th 2024 at 7:18:26 AM

Functionally the cast is trimmed down, the characters who actually matter in fights are counted with the fingers of a hand. Everyone else are just leftovers of nostalgia and-or background comedy. Something like Bleach or Naruto feels more overstuffed because there they at least try to pretend most of the fighters matter, even when for the most part they don't.

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#128947: May 15th 2024 at 5:22:59 AM

Okay, changing things up a bit to read the Grand prisoner Moro saga.

I legit don’t know anything about this, other than Buu gets to be relevant for a bit.

I heard Moro is one of the best villains Dragon Ball has had in a while.

Gah, the name is spelled Boo here.

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miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#128948: May 15th 2024 at 5:46:24 AM

Yep. Vizz translated it as Djinn Boo. Which is so weird.

Edited by miraculous on May 15th 2024 at 5:46:36 AM

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#128949: May 15th 2024 at 7:06:47 AM

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/df23ea0c_2547_4fc5_92b5_f9315f4d1eaf.png

Goku and Vegeta are now the space police.

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