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randomness4 Snow Ghost from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Snow Ghost
#128576: Apr 26th 2024 at 2:44:44 PM

We're in the alternate timeline, remember?

Boo isn't just a thing created by Bibidi anymore, he's some eldritch creature that existed since the beginning of time.

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#128577: Apr 26th 2024 at 3:54:29 PM

[up][up] Eldritch djinn splitting in two isn’t an exact science, I guess. Somehow Fat Buu got the appearance and consciousness of the Grand Supreme Kai but Kid Buu got the God Ki (though I don’t think he was able to use it?)

Grand Supreme Kai was able to use his God ki to imprison Moro some millions of years ago and Uub tapping into that energy and sending it to Goku was how Goku was able to beat that guy in the present day. That probably implies the Uub is potentially stronger that even UI Goku.

So doylistically it’s probably to explain why Goku is still so interested in Uub at End of Z despite all of DBS’ power creep.

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#128578: Apr 27th 2024 at 12:54:14 AM

If you check the fridge page for dragon ball super, Grand Supreme Kai should be equal in power to Beerus (until Moro of course), so there is merit that Uub could be more powerful than UI Goku.

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#128579: Apr 27th 2024 at 2:11:03 AM

Yes Shin being so much weaker is because he's a very inexperienced Kai who was basically thrust this job without any formal training since his predecccesors all got massacred.

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#128580: Apr 27th 2024 at 2:13:50 AM

Could he beat final form Frieza tho?

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Goku Black
#128581: Apr 27th 2024 at 2:35:50 AM

I dunno? Wasn't the issue with dragon team massively underestimating Buu himself is because Shin hyped all of Babidi and his minions being strong but they'd already beaten guys like this long ago.

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#128582: Apr 27th 2024 at 3:18:06 AM

Shin said that all of the Kaioshin, himself included, could beat Freeza with one punch. I believe that, it makes no sense to hype up Majin Buu as super strong by having the guy lie about the strength of the gods he killed.

The whole point of Buu was that everyone thought Shin was lying and exaggerating his strength, only for the reality to be that Buu really was as strong as he was hyped up to be. Meaning that Shin wasn't lying and exaggerating his strength.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Apr 27th 2024 at 3:19:36 AM

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#128583: Apr 27th 2024 at 3:23:00 AM

AU where all the Kai get off their asses and end evil across the galaxy.

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#128584: Apr 27th 2024 at 3:34:59 AM

more of Beerus's job honestly. [lol]

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#128585: Apr 27th 2024 at 3:46:26 AM

Beerus was chilling with Frieza tho.

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miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#128586: Apr 27th 2024 at 6:25:44 AM

Pretty sure Zamasu shows why there not supposed to do that. Beerus is supposed to handle it instead but uh well he just kinda let's frieza do what he wants.

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#128587: Apr 27th 2024 at 6:27:56 AM

Yeah, but they had to make him a genocidal madman to undermine his good point I feel.

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Goku Black
#128588: Apr 27th 2024 at 6:30:11 AM

[up]Hey

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#128589: Apr 27th 2024 at 6:32:20 AM

What about the Great Saiyaman?

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#128590: Apr 27th 2024 at 6:46:01 AM

No, Zamasu is LITERALLY preaching. Like, religiously.

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#128591: Apr 27th 2024 at 6:54:02 AM

All this talk of Super, I should get back to watching it.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#128592: Apr 27th 2024 at 7:11:44 AM

Zamasu is not right.

He's really not.

He's just an insane bigot who hates all Mortals.

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#128593: Apr 27th 2024 at 7:20:19 AM

I’m getting at his other point that the Kai should be more proactive in stopping evil. That’s a fair point considering guys like Frieza could have been stopped if one like Shin decided to intervene.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#128594: Apr 27th 2024 at 7:25:55 AM

That...is fair enough.

When Beerus sleeps on the job (and he will), the Kai's should be allowed to step up.

That being said, it's possible that if they'd tried, Zen-O or the Grand Priest would have stopped him because Kais create, and Gods of Destruction destroy.

Of course, back then none of those characters existed but lets assume that's what would have happened.

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#128595: Apr 27th 2024 at 7:28:33 AM

Yeah but I don’t think Zen-O will object if the Kai destroy Frieza because he’s the reason why universe 7 has so little planets and Beerus didn’t destroy him.

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#128596: Apr 27th 2024 at 7:30:32 AM

Grand Supreme Kai stopped Moro, so evidently they're allowed to go take out evil guys if they wanted to.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#128597: Apr 27th 2024 at 7:39:04 AM

but remember, Beers wasn't around when he did that. It's because he had no choice.

And because he stopped Moro, he lost most of his God Ki and thus wasn't able to defeat Buu, who he also shouldn't have been fighting since that's Beerus' job.

Look what happens when the Kais are force to take a role that's not part of their regular responsibilities.

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Spirit Pretty flower from America Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
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#128598: Apr 27th 2024 at 9:46:21 AM

That still feels like a Beerus problem for shirking his responsibilities.

The kais would still be blamed since it's supposed to be a team effort, but it is totally Beerus' fault.

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#128599: Apr 27th 2024 at 9:55:34 AM

Plus Beerus was paling around with Frieza. Like, sure Beerus was going to destroy him eventually, but Frieza had his support for a certain amount of time.

So it is Beerus' fault.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Apr 28th 2024 at 12:57:18 AM

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#128600: Apr 27th 2024 at 10:09:08 AM

Also the main dbz universe is just shy of flunking as a universe. Whatever Beerus is doing is not the best way for a God Of Destruction.

Also Shin is doing a bad job too but it’s less laziness and more nobody provided a manual and the Old Kai is a worthless lazy jerk.

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