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I'd rather have this instead of three more years of the CSU fucking around. Especially since we had already 2 years of that before the election.
Especially because I fucking *don't* trust Seehofer and Söder to not hobnob with people like Orban and Kurz
edited 14th Jun '18 10:36:28 AM by 3of4
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<shudders> Thanks for that thought. Brrrr.
Can minority leaderships function in Germany? Or does a majority have to be formed by some means?
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
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We never had one under the current system, afair, but technically yes. But since the CSU is also one of the big problems in coalition talks...well...who says that we can't do Kenia after all 
And again, at this point I consider this still better than 3 more years of the CSU doing this shit. Because even if this can be resolved without breaking the Union, I say its back in a few months because the CSU is in scare mode over their state election.
Because this is what this is, the CSU is doing opposition politics on the federal level against their own coalition to prop themselves up in their own state.
edited 14th Jun '18 2:02:34 PM by 3of4
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We did have some minority governments on the state level, though. But in a lot of ways the last election was extraordinary, considering how long it took to form a government this time around.
edited 14th Jun '18 2:05:27 PM by DrunkenNordmann
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We had one in NRW, but that one broke apart after two years because they couldn't agree on a budget, triggering re-elections.
This is btw the biggest issue...I think a lot of things could be cleared up through negotiations, and the result might even better than what we get otherwise, because there is more input, but a budget, well, that is already difficult to figure out in a coalition.
Yes, and they will fall flat on their face doing it. Everyone who paid attention noticed that the Af D did the best in the states where the sitting government actually indulged in their fear mongering. Why should they vote CSU when they can go for the protest party? Meanwhile the CSU is in danger of losing their moderate voters. One shouldn't forget that at least Munich is very liberal.
edited 14th Jun '18 3:53:42 PM by Swanpride
edited 14th Jun '18 3:53:56 PM by DrunkenNordmann
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Seehofer gives Merkel an Ultimatum; Do what I want or I'll do it anyway.
So thats twice the CSU has either threatened to go against the Government or actually done so (*waves at the Glyphosat*)
...#Fuck The CSU #CDU Bundesweit
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Seehofer can only lose with this one...Merkel won't allow herself to get bullied by the CSU, because if she gives in now, it will set the tone for the whole administration. Not to mention that then the SPD will eventually break away. So either he has to give in eventually, or he will look like a wrecker. In both cases, the CSU will take a huge hit in the end. They would be better off supporting Merkel.
No shit, Sherlock. Bavaria has benefited for years from other state' payments and now that they are the ones paying, they're making a big fuss about everything.
Of course the people who don't like to contribute to anything are rolling the xenophobic drum.
I originally come from a state that turned from a paying into a receiving state and the blatant selfishness and lack of solidarity the Bavarian leadership stands for disgusts me.
edited 16th Jun '18 1:28:21 AM by DrunkenNordmann
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Yeah but they aren't. So I hope Merkel has the guts to to whats needed and kick out the CSU.
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Something of two days ago: AfD will wissen, wer in Deutschland Bomben bastelt – und schiesst damit ein Eigentor (English: "AfD wants to know who in Germany makes bombs - and shoots an own goal"): Apparently out of 136 bombs secured since 2000 in the context of politically motivated violence, 94 were linked to the right wing political field, 24 Islamism and 18 the left wing field.
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To the surprise of absolutely no one who actually took a look at the statistics.
But its the EVIL REFUGEE'S who come to OUR COUNTRY to BUILD BOMBS and not the fucking nazis who are already here.
edited 16th Jun '18 1:39:33 AM by 3of4
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lol!
But honestly, they should really stop wasting everyone's time asking stupid questions and actually do something productive for a change...
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I'd rather have them waste time than get onto something the AfD calls 'productive'
Don't assume they are just idiots who can be reasonable. These are the people supporting scum like Gauland.
(and anything short of party expulsion is support.)
The moment you think the AfD is anything but a vehicle for Racists, Nazis and Power-horny people along for the ride using a thin veneer as respectability and can actually 'wake up' and be 'reasonable people' you are already halfway to the way of thinking that led people think they could 'Box in Hitler'
edited 16th Jun '18 1:57:50 AM by 3of4
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Pretty sure, "productive" is the antithesis of everything the AfD and their ilk stand for.
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True...but they are sadly not just wasting their own time, but everyone's else's too.
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So the FDP let it known they would be willing to 'take responsibility' if it became necessary.
Translation: If the Union blows up, they'd be interested into CDU/SPD/FDP as continuing coalition
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Eh, I belief it when I see it...I think they are mostly afraid that the Greens will move in if they don't.
But yeah, without the CSU in the boat, it would be actually fairly easy to build some three party coalition.
Each passing day makes it at least more likely that the coalition holds. This might in the end out working for both the CSU and CDU. If Merkel gets more she and fails to work out a deal with Italy and Austria, she'll be able to claim that she has tried everything before she implemented border controls. And the CSU can claim that they forced the chancellor to act. And to be fair regarding the CSU, the current status quo in which only 10% of all refugees who were registered first in other EU countries are actualöy deported is not acceptable. Something needs to be done about this, though exaggerating the problem is not the right way to do it either.
It looks like Merkel gets more time to make deal with other EU countries:
Merkel gets extra time to reach deal with EU over asylum row
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jun/17/angela-merkel-extra-time-reach-deal-with-eu-asylum-row
While this is imho good news, she still has a mountain to climb.
She is kicking the can down the road...but if anyone can come up with a plan the EU members agree to, it is her.
I'm just gonna say: Darn it. It would be better for everyone in the world if the CSU had broken the coalition. It'd have been one of the most spectacular own goals in world politics.
Can still happen. The likelihood that Merkel manages to get ANY kind of agreement regarding EU asylum politics is slim. Nearly invisible. Mostly because the right-wing lead states use the opportunity to attack her to please their voters.
