Mass Effect 3

Everyone in the galaxy besides Shep is stupid.

Sometimes, not even her is safe.

edited 16th Oct '12 4:47:34 PM by fakeangelbr

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Shepard has access to the magic "reload saved game" button. Nobody else has can match the advantage it confers.

And, in the grand RPG tradition, Shepard can have up to 40 levels more than everyone else. Sure, s/he doesn't have the hax of, say, Annihilation Field, but s/he can have Warp, Shockwave, Singularity and Throw all maxed, along with a maxed passive and Fitness. S/he doesn't need to sacrifice a damn thing to stay viable, unlike the MP characters.

Datamining the trilogy. Interestingly, there's actually nothing there for 2.

Edit: This one sounds interesting. "Cerberus was using an AI to create the krogan cyborgs, but you destroyed the AI at it's own request. Chiara Rossi has promised to relay the information you uncovered to the Alliance."

Also has some information on how Liara's recruitment was originally going to happen. There are indications that it originally may have been possible to save both Ash and Kaidan on Virmire.

edited 16th Oct '12 5:39:45 PM by Tiamatty

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I read that a couple days ago. IIRC, Noelemahc used to post here.

Glad they changed that.

Difficult choices lost it's appeal when you can weasel out of them.

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Yeah. My least favorite part of ME 3 was that you didn't have to choose between Quarians and Geth.

Four N7 characters > Shepard and his entire team anyday. Though most likely the N7 characters aren't supposed to be quite as powerful as we make them when we play, but on the level of one of Shepard's AI squadmates, or just a bit stronger.

Most likely they also don't take down more enemies in a day than Shepard has in his entire career. And the enemies sent after the N7 squads likely aren't inexplicably way tougher than the ones sent after Shepard.

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The moment was still good, but it relied a lot in tension instead of doubt, if you know what I mean.

Maybe they enemies are tougher because the N7 are weaker? Just my fanwank.

edited 16th Oct '12 6:31:34 PM by fakeangelbr

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They're still using the same guns.

Having to choose between the geth and quarians would've been pointless and infuriating railroading that threw away all previous themes and foreshadowing, as well as the player's work, in the name of having a bittersweet / downer ending. It's like the main ending all over again.

edited 16th Oct '12 6:38:45 PM by CPFMfan

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Shep's are elite quality while N7's are standard issue

...Like I said, fanwanking.

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What Mfan said. I don't mind having to make tough decisions, but making things grimderp for the sake of ambiguity is just stupid. Especially since achieving peace between the two is a powerful moment itself.

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I still say peace should've been nearly impossible to achieve, and Rannoch should've involved a choice between enslaving the geth or continuing the quarian exile. With choosing the utter destruction of one or the other race still being the shitty default if you made poor decisions.

Rannoch needed some moral ambiguity.

It maybe also should've been possible to convince Legion not to upload the Reaper code.

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Hmm...

Maybe I'm just spending too much time on /co/, then.

They do love the depressing, "feel" stuff.

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It severely reduces roleplaying. It says that one choice is the right choice and the others are blatantly inferior. There is no real reason to not choose to make peace. There is no ambiguity about the right thing to do whatsoever. The Connor/Isolde choice in DAO had the same problem.

Also, the fact that Shepard is able to end a three century conflict in one conversation removes any doubt about him/her being a Mary Sue.

Wait, wait wait.

You had doubts?

How is that even remotely possible?

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I prefer the last option. Pragmatically, having more ships to throw at the Reapers is a good thing, but Legion and the rest of the geth are complete dumbasses and hypocrites, especially considering that decision.

He did need several very powerful friends and a Reaper invasion. Not to mention the majority of the quarians and all of the geth were opposed to the attack in the first place.

And like I said, it seems like what you want is to pothole everyone into getting a downer ending and turning their character into a genocidal maniac because it would be "deep".

edited 16th Oct '12 6:53:03 PM by CPFMfan

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He didn't just temporarily stop the immediate conflict for the sake of fighting the Reapers. He made the Geth and Quarians decide to live together in harmony forever. Apparently, all of the Quarians just got over centuries of resentment about the near-genocide of their race when the Geth use space magic to save their immune systems.

Edit: I don't want to pothole everyone into a downer ending. I prefer Bittersweet endings myself. I just don't like choices that boil down to: Good option, Bad Option A, and Bad Option B. Only an idiot would choose either bad options when given the choice, so why bother giving it to them? Difficult choices that give options with pros and cons are much more rewarding than perfect third options.

edited 16th Oct '12 6:59:09 PM by Millardkillmoore

The only reason the quarians stop shooting at the geth is because the code puts them back to full strength, and therefore becomes a threat. Without it the geth have no legs to stand on, a fact both the quarians and Legion knows.

^ Because the geth wanted peace all along and the quarians aren't stupid enough to provoke them when they are fully capable of killing them now. And they don't magically solve the immune system problem, they more or less just act like vaccines.

edited 16th Oct '12 6:59:05 PM by Spirit

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The war always started because the quarians were too overzealous in trying to avert a robot rebellion.

They should have been smarter, installed a command that would shut them down.

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They weren't expecting the geth to evolve so quickly. Plus, think about it: does the US military just have a switch that shuts down the entire infrastructure of the country? No, of course not. Why would they? It's not like they're expecting all their machinery to rebel.

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The US doesn't have advanced VI slaves, though.

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To you, they're advanced AI slaves. To the quarians, they were just their appliances. They probably saw a geth as no different than you see your own computer. Once again, they didn't even know that the geth were 'evolving'.

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The geth were the equivalent of the internet becoming sentient. Unless every country on Earth can shut down the internet at a moment's notice then you can hardly fault the quarians for a lack of foresight.

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Wasn't there something silly in the news about America having an internet shutdown button or something that would bring down the internet everywhere in the US?

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