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NesClassic Inheritor of the Wing from Flyover Country Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: In another castle
Inheritor of the Wing
#1601: Feb 22nd 2017 at 11:36:28 AM

"Without context, I can only assume Jim is passing away in 5 days. RIP Jim. Thank god for you." -reVelske, YouTube commentor

edited 22nd Feb '17 11:37:47 AM by NesClassic

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Rossriders Since: Dec, 2009
#1602: Feb 22nd 2017 at 4:14:52 PM

I'm looking forward to it, as are many others. It's a LONG Time coming.

This is the first time I've actually felt a little excited for something, I'm going to temper my expectations however because that just sets me up for disapointment, but it's a LONG time coming.

Thank God for Jim FUCKING Sterling Son.

Grahf Since: Jan, 2001
#1603: Feb 22nd 2017 at 6:22:19 PM

I'm actually expecting that his response on Monday, while it will be quite detailed, will also be somewhat measured. I know that the suit was dismissed with prejudice, but I cannot imagine that he'll really be looking to kick the hornet's nest so to speak.

Granted he wasn't really kicking the hornet's nest in the first place by calling a spade a spade and a shitty game a shitty game, but here we are nonetheless.

MainManJ Since: Jan, 2001
#1604: Feb 24th 2017 at 2:51:21 AM

Yeah, Monday's episode should be good.

Yeah, about the piracy episode....yeah, I think Jim went a little too far with that one. In the span of a few years he went from "Just admit you're thieves" and "DRM or not, you and I know you're going to pirate that fucking game" to "I've changed my mind I'm ok with it now because the the companies are dickish enough". While he has a good point that what Nintendo is doing is actually wrong, the argument "fight crime with crime" is like one of the slipperiest slopes ever.

Even ignoring that, the moral debate of it, here's the practical one. Nintendo has money and lawyers, so they can get away with it. The common man, on the other hand, cannot fight crime with crime on anywhere near equal footing, because they are, relatively speaking, effectively defensiveness against legal reprisals. Pick your battles.

For example, I like Netflix as a service, but I fucking HATE Netflix as a company. They do so many things that piss me off, but as a human being and a customer, I have no power or agency beyond "nut up or shut up" aka deal with it or cancel. If they take off a series I like that I haven't watched on there yet, and I like it enough to buy, I buy it and move on. Hell, I got the series in question on sale on Boxing Day just a few months prior, so I kinda lucked out.

In the case of Nintendo, I agree with the earlier comment that they make good games, but some of their corporate decisions ect. are pretty rotten. But I do worry that trying to fuck them like this could hurt the quality of the games or the chance we'll keep getting good games in the future.

edited 24th Feb '17 2:53:20 AM by MainManJ

darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#1605: Feb 24th 2017 at 8:36:26 AM

I'm willing to let it slide a bit as very few criticschallenge Nintendo for anything and don't just default to giving them a blowjob.

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Queen of Good Things, Honest
#1606: Feb 24th 2017 at 8:55:29 AM

Well, there's sort of a reason for that. Not a good one, but it exists. Mainly: It's hard to be mad at Nintendo. It feels like kicking a 5-year-old in the face.

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CharlesIX Since: Feb, 2017
#1607: Feb 25th 2017 at 1:05:57 PM

I'm looking forward to it, as are many others. It's a LONG Time coming.

Jim: Tell me do you fear Boglins... you WILL

[up]I like Nintendo's games but some of there business practices are either head scratching or infuriating at worst.

TamH70 Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
#1608: Feb 25th 2017 at 3:35:31 PM

[up]Tell me about it. I'm a gamer who started in the Eighties, so Nintendo have been messing with me for a long time. Especially so since I'm from Scotland, currently part of the decaying corpse that is "Great" Britain. I gave up counting and naming the classic games I could have played if I didn't live here decades ago.

I kind of agree with Jim's rant implying that Nintendo are as big a bunch of pirates as anyone who'd download a rom, but also with the above poster who said something on the lines of them having better, or at least better paid, lawyers than any small time pirate would have access to.

Nerevarine Since: Mar, 2016
#1609: Feb 25th 2017 at 4:10:25 PM

Note: I haven't watched Jim's video on the subject yet, as I haven't been in the mood for internet drama lately. I'm basing this off the posts in this thread.

The thing about Nintendo is that though they are far from a perfect company, I still consider them to be several steps above most other AAA companies. Their games are almost always bug free at launch (minus a few inconsequential ones) and they still try to innovate on occasion with their games and systems. Their preorder video for Bot W leaves me concerned that they may follow the same path as the other publishers, but it's really their legal team that is the scum-baggy part of their company.

edited 25th Feb '17 4:32:35 PM by Nerevarine

CharlesIX Since: Feb, 2017
#1610: Feb 25th 2017 at 4:25:18 PM

At least they aren't releasing 20 pre order variations like Ubi

Nintendo being behind the times has drawbacks but it's also slowed them down from adopting the more shitty trends of modern gaming.

NesClassic Inheritor of the Wing from Flyover Country Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: In another castle
Inheritor of the Wing
#1611: Feb 25th 2017 at 4:48:07 PM

Shitty as the legal department of Nintendo is, I don't think you should shoot the artist to spite the receptionist... or something like that. I envy the music industry's ability to seperate art and artist from corporation sometimes.

Though, someone in the comments said that the video was a satirical inversion of how Nintendo's legal department treats content creators to show why people shouldn't white-knight their content claiming. I'm not sure it's 100% parodical in nature considering his previously-stated views on pirating when talking about the Virtual Console and NES Mini, but... for what it's worth, that might offer a different perspective on the video.

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Sixthhokage1 Since: Feb, 2013
#1612: Feb 25th 2017 at 5:12:27 PM

He outright said on the latest Podquisition that he was being clickbaity and facetious to make a point (the bits about shoplifting in the actual video are kind of a tip-off about that). The point being that Nintendo are some of the fucking worst big-name players in the games industry about twisting copyright law against consumers, fans, and critics.

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#1613: Feb 25th 2017 at 5:39:19 PM

And while we're on the podcast discussion, Jim also said that he may or may not get the Jimquisition of the lawsuit of his done on Monday since A) he still wants to simmer down from the event and B) wants to make the episode the best he can regarding the subject.

Remember, these idiots drive, fuck, and vote. Not always in that order.
Sixthhokage1 Since: Feb, 2013
#1614: Feb 25th 2017 at 6:07:51 PM

While the podcast went up on the 23rd, it was recorded on the 21st, the same day he put up the statement about the dismissal. The "Slaughter" video which teases something related to the digihom lawsuit this coming Monday (generally assumed to be the next Jimquistion) was posted on the 22nd between the recording of the podcast and its publication. Contextual timing is important :P

PincerMove Since: Feb, 2017
#1615: Feb 26th 2017 at 2:25:15 PM

Has Jim done anything on the BS of their Season Pass for Breath of the Wild?

Steven (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#1616: Feb 26th 2017 at 4:08:28 PM

No he hasn't.

Remember, these idiots drive, fuck, and vote. Not always in that order.
CharlesIX Since: Feb, 2017
#1617: Feb 26th 2017 at 6:24:09 PM

You guys do realize that it isn't hard mode but new hard mode.

Steven (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#1618: Feb 26th 2017 at 6:37:01 PM

And what makes it "new"?

Remember, these idiots drive, fuck, and vote. Not always in that order.
PincerMove Since: Feb, 2017
#1619: Feb 26th 2017 at 6:47:53 PM

That it would justify Nintendos attitude.

Steven (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#1620: Feb 26th 2017 at 7:26:24 PM

Ok, moving on from that.

Other than an aside mention, there's really nothing for Jim to talk about Zelda's DLC other than "rabble rabble fuck season passes", which he did countless times already.

Remember, these idiots drive, fuck, and vote. Not always in that order.
optimusjamie Since: Jun, 2010
#1621: Feb 27th 2017 at 4:52:21 AM

At long last...

Direct all enquiries to Jamie B Good
UltraWanker Since: Apr, 2016
#1622: Feb 27th 2017 at 10:01:57 AM

Looks like Romine has reached a new level of stupidity it's not funny anymore.

MapleSamurai Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
#1623: Feb 27th 2017 at 11:26:19 AM

Good Insert Deity Here, after hearing about what was in that legal document, I don't think a lawyer is what Romine needed.

A psychotherapist, on the other hand...

edited 27th Feb '17 11:27:42 AM by MapleSamurai

Grahf Since: Jan, 2001
#1624: Feb 27th 2017 at 12:35:31 PM

Commented on the video and I'll comment here:

Did.... did they not even do their own math right? Those numbers quoted at time index 4:56 add up to 11,561,000, not 10,761,000. They lost over a half million somewhere in adding THREE numbers together.

These are the people that brought the lawsuit against him. People that cannot correctly add three large numbers.

Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Perpetually Confused
#1625: Feb 27th 2017 at 4:42:07 PM

He also added this comment to the video explaining in more details why he's not counter-suing the James Romine and went for just settlement

So here's the thing.

The cost in doing so would be throwing good money after bad. I could no more get my legal fees back from Romine than Romine could get $15million from me.

The energy and time spent doing so would be better spent continuing to produce and improve my content. Unlike Digital Homicide, I try not to waste work hours pursuing grudges.

This "settlement" was as much pragmatism as lenience. I'm not that good a person. A continuation of vindictiveness would lead to pyrrhic results at best.

I meant what I said when I stated I couldn't hurt James more than he's hurt himself, and I do not care enough to want to try. There have been times over this past year where I was angry enough to want to, where I desired to let this play out just to officially destroy the arguments, send a message, and demand non-monetary compensation (I'm serious in my offer for the Digital Homicide brand name, but I'm not paying over three figures for it). Now it's over, however, I just don't feel it. This whole thing ended rather sadly, and the desire for merciless revenge just isn't there.

Honestly - and I am not saying this to be insulting - I think the Romines got in over their head and got frightened. I would have been as well. But then I'm looking at two guys who I think are scared, and there's nothing to be gained from kicking people who are worried like that. This is also why I'm stopping my coverage of the lawsuit at this video, instead of the more extravagant and extended verbal kicking I'd dreamed about while at my angriest. I have folders of content collected over the past year that I hope I won't ever need to touch.

I've said before that I want the Romines to become good videogame developers. I would still like to see that. I enjoy a good redemption story, and I'd be the first to praise anything they made that was genuinely good.

All this said, however, I certainly do not forgive James Romine for this lawsuit and I don't think I'll ever be able to forget it. It'd take more than an apology for me to truly be "classy" and accept a real peace. My "classiness" extends to resetting the clock on my opinion of their work, should their work ever be notable enough to cross my desk again.

(There's also one (or someone posing as) the dev Jim mentions 35 minute in who talked about trying to sue Jim enough to kill him from stress doubling down. So there we are).

edited 27th Feb '17 4:46:59 PM by Ghilz


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