Rename: NEW CROWNER (Alt Titles 12-28-12): Asian Gal With White Guy

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451 SeptimusHeap11th Jan 2013 02:34:35 PM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
All that is not a necessary component of the trope. May result from it, not necessarily.
Which part isn't necessary? The fetish?

Because that isn't the point.

edited 11th Jan '13 2:42:43 PM by KingZeal

453 TotemicHero11th Jan 2013 03:05:38 PM from the next level
The point is the details of the relationship like that are part of how it is played. If the girl is emotional dependent to act as a fetish, that is this trope. If the girl is not emotionally dependent, just so ridiculously shy that it's's still this trope.
Not . . . exactly.

There has to be a power dynamic. Simply being shy doesn't make her this trope, unless the guy is overtly dominant by contrast. Otherwise, a shy asian girl who dates a shy white boy counts for this trope, and that's People Sit on Chairs territory.
455 TotemicHero15th Jan 2013 03:29:31 PM from the next level
Well, looks like the crowner isn't changing, so can we call this bad boy and move on to the next part?
456 SeptimusHeap15th Jan 2013 03:31:46 PM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
I think yes (especially as I don't expect anything to change).

457 TotemicHero17th Jan 2013 11:52:44 AM from the next level
It's holler time then.

In the meantime (because I'm a little busy with other stuff right now), anyone mind compiling a list of other pages that need their definitions tweaked to be in line with these changes?
458 SeptimusHeap17th Jan 2013 11:59:46 AM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
I wonder if I am allowed to say "Please let me rename this!"
This new name sends my body into a cringe.
460 SeptimusHeap17th Jan 2013 04:11:51 PM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
Have you a better idea? I don't really like it either.
461 TotemicHero17th Jan 2013 04:21:28 PM from the next level
I won't argue that there isn't a better name out there. (I do think it's the best of what we've got so far, but YMMV as always.)

However, at this stage, I'd think we'd have to start the crowner from scratch if we wanted to introduce more names. So the question being if it's worth it to go through the whole process again?
White Mans Asian Woman was my pick, and if we had to pick a "non-PC" name, Docile Asian Strong Whitey.
463 SeptimusHeap18th Jan 2013 02:40:22 AM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
[up]I agree about "Docile...". The "Asian Woman" one is just too chairsy to work.
464 TotemicHero18th Jan 2013 02:01:31 PM from the next level
Lovely Orientalism...really?

I know some people don't like my suggestion, but can we at least have a name that doesn't fail Guess That Trope Definition completely?
465 Xtifr18th Jan 2013 11:41:14 PM , Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
World's Toughest Milkman
Yes, if the name doesn't make you cringe, it's not doing its job! :)
"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
I thought its "job" was to describe a trope accurately, not make people feel uncomfortable just saying it.
467 SeptimusHeap19th Jan 2013 04:38:55 AM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
The trope has to make people cringe since it's about racist and ethnic stereotypes. That is why the cringeworthy name is better.
To the point of sacrificing clarity, though?

I mean, "Lovely Orientalism". That's worse than the name it has now.

edited 19th Jan '13 7:32:13 AM by KingZeal

469 TotemicHero19th Jan 2013 03:00:11 PM from the next level
I'm fairly certain that any trope name over the top enough to make me cringe would not pass muster on this wiki. tongue

Let's focus on concepts that are less relative based on the reader, shall we?
470 nrjxll19th Jan 2013 04:03:21 PM , Relationship Status: Not war
I have to agree that putting "cringeworthiness" on a higher level of importance than "clarity" is a fairly absurd idea.
471 SeptimusHeap19th Jan 2013 04:06:57 PM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
Lovely Orientalism in any case has a "nay" from me.
It makes me cringe not because it's politically incorrect, but it's awkward-as-hell sounding. Seriously, this really doesn't need an anti-PC name, especially if we can't figure out how to make it sound un-awkward and un-tryhard.
473 SeptimusHeap21st Jan 2013 02:38:09 AM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
I know it's awkward. Has anybody a better idea, though?
There's two in the crowner, but they're losing.
475 TotemicHero21st Jan 2013 07:48:26 PM from the next level
AHAHAHA. much longer is this going to go on, do you think? Do you have an estimate? tongue

Seriously, it's really frustrating how people won't let this one finish. At this rate, the mods will have to basically fiat the thing, and I'd rather not have that.

Alternative Titles: Me Love You Long Time
28th Dec '12 10:43:47 AM
Vote up names you like, vote down names you don't. Whether or not the title will actually be changed is determined with a different kind of crowner (the Single Proposition crowner). This one just collects and ranks alternative titles.
At issue:
This trope is about unequal relationships between Asian women and white men, in which the latter hold the power. It is NOT about:
  • Prostitution (Ok, that is sometimes part of it but not enough to deserve mentioning in the name)
  • Any relationships between Asians and white men. Thus, please do not add politically correct options to the crowner

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